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CMV: Men who date average-looking women are "settling" for her looks Men who date average-looking women are "settling" for her looks. Given that everything is equal, men (and women) would go for attractive people. Men are drawn to attractive women such as those who work in the adult, modelling, and entertainment indus...
Is your statement significantly different than saying "Anyone who dates a person who is average (in any aspect) is settling (with respet to the aspect in which that person is average)"?
Looks aren't everything. There are people who I find very attractive who I can't stand for any length of time. or who aren't intelligent or have a matching personality. Looks are the only important quality in a partner. If a person is with someone who is he happy to be with he isn't settling. he is just using a dif...
5z2we1
CMV: Men who date average-looking women are "settling" for her looks
Men who date average-looking women are "settling" for her looks. Given that everything is equal, men (and women) would go for attractive people. Men are drawn to attractive women such as those who work in the adult, modelling, and entertainment industry. There is a reason why most celebrities are good-looking. We are...
1,489,376,191
silver-crescent
deuv6nh
deuv520
17
7
CMV: Common sense isn't common and it doesn't make sense. Common Sense, in a very short definition, simply means >Knowlege or information which people should and are expected to "just know". Common sense is basic, rudimentary concepts that should be understood by everyone. For example, we know to clean up after ourse...
> Nowadays people might say that it's common sense to not, say, kill people without any good reason. This doesn't really fit your previous examples, which were all simple, adaptive things. This is a moral thing, though... and I don't usually hear "common sense" used to describe that. The term I hear for that is "co...
I think your issue isn't with the term itself, but rather that people don't act based on that knowledge. It's entirely possible for a person to know something (commonsense), but then to act in a different way for a variety of reasons. By way of example - I'm on a plan for my phone. I know it's cheaper over the long t...
5z33ea
CMV: Common sense isn't common and it doesn't make sense.
Common Sense, in a very short definition, simply means >Knowlege or information which people should and are expected to "just know". Common sense is basic, rudimentary concepts that should be understood by everyone. For example, we know to clean up after ourselves, not to jump off roofs, to look both ways before cross...
1,489,378,918
SkillUpYT
deux2y4
deuwyb2
6
3
CMV: The "you have to take care of your appearence in order to become physically attractive" argument is invalid When someone complains about how ugly they are, a lot of people tell them that "they would be pretty too if they took care of themselves". I don't think so. I know ugly people who care about their appearenc...
I have to press you on the "I know beautiful people who don't care at all" and yet are still very attractive. I'm gonna need an example and proof of this. I don't believe it to be the case. I believe there are no attractive people who simply disregard "taking care of their appearance".
Maybe not everyone can be physically attractive, but most people can make improvements, often considerable ones. If you dress well, groom well, and stay in good physical shape, you'll be way better off. Almost anyone can have a good-looking, though maybe not perfect not perfect, body and that goes such a long way. Tha...
5z3fjj
CMV: The "you have to take care of your appearence in order to become physically attractive" argument is invalid
When someone complains about how ugly they are, a lot of people tell them that "they would be pretty too if they took care of themselves". I don't think so. I know ugly people who care about their appearence, keep a very decent hygiene, dress up nicely and smile a lot, yet they are still considered ugly. I also know be...
1,489,384,220
oshezim
devahcp
devacq6
4
2
CMV: I think any speculations about alien life are baseless and arrogant. I roll my eyes whenever I hear someone talk about what aliens will be like when we meet them, wondering if they're peaceful, or what method they use to communicate. They also almost always assume that they are more technologically advanced than ...
It's true that we have very little data to work with, but we can still make some reasonably educated guesses about certain aspects of what they'd be like. By and large, your CMV seems to be talking about *intelligent and interstellar-capable* alien life, so let's talk about that. > In my mind, they could very well be ...
>I roll my eyes whenever I hear someone talk about what aliens will be like when we meet them, wondering if they're peaceful, or what method they use to communicate. Part of this is that there are ways of thinking about the world that are just fun to think about, useful for a particular purpose (thinking about human ...
5z5qou
CMV: I think any speculations about alien life are baseless and arrogant.
I roll my eyes whenever I hear someone talk about what aliens will be like when we meet them, wondering if they're peaceful, or what method they use to communicate. They also almost always assume that they are more technologically advanced than us in every way just because they can space travel, and they most likely co...
1,489,420,259
Sooawesome36
devp7i9
devhd13
8
2
CMV: The Lottery Could Be Rigged So That Only Certain People Win Of course I realize that the odds of winning the lottery are low and that one should not pin their future on a lottery win. I note I am in Canada, at one time the lottery draw was shown on television (supposedly live with balls falling from machines muc...
I could make a lot of arguments about the type of people who buy lotto tickets and why they are likely to want the money, but I don't think that explanation is required. 1) Have you really looked into it? Is there enough information to accurately make a statement as to what "most" lottery winners do with their winnin...
Fraud isn't [unheard](https://priceonomics.com/the-mcdonalds-monopoly-fraud/), though consider that any cases we hear about we hear about because they were caught. The problem isn't pulling it off, it is not getting caught. The winners are all announced publicly and if they had any connections with the lottery manage...
5z6d8f
CMV: The Lottery Could Be Rigged So That Only Certain People Win
Of course I realize that the odds of winning the lottery are low and that one should not pin their future on a lottery win. I note I am in Canada, at one time the lottery draw was shown on television (supposedly live with balls falling from machines much like in a BINGO hall)... now we just see the winning numbers po...
1,489,426,344
exotics
devogmn
devm613
3
1
CMV: Colonization isn't that bad. Hello everyone, I'm from a third world country, and I believe that if colonial countries had stayed in their colonies of the 3rd world countries we would have been much better off. I think the bad part about colonization is that the colonial countries left after draining the countries...
To be absolutely clear, modern Australia is doing fine but the people in it have almost no connection to those who were there before it was colonised. What happened was nothing short of a genocide. Europeans showed up and fundamentally changed the way resources were used, took land without negotiation and then slaughte...
So the 'home' nation doesn't really have an incentive to build a functioning government, or even developed industry in a colony (under the economic theory of mercantilism). Sure, these things may exist as long as the colony is there, but it will be people from the ‘home’ nation serving a term there with no allegiance t...
5z6kp9
CMV: Colonization isn't that bad.
Hello everyone, I'm from a third world country, and I believe that if colonial countries had stayed in their colonies of the 3rd world countries we would have been much better off. I think the bad part about colonization is that the colonial countries left after draining the countries' resources. Look at Canada, Austra...
1,489,428,330
E13V
devqte8
devpgbf
25
3
CMV: There isn't a Muslim agenda to take over the West. I am not sure how this conspiracy took hold. Europe MAY have an acclimation problem, but as long as we continue to fight for the US Constitution (Separation of Church and State), we will not have a problem here. We just cannot allow pockets of society from ANY ...
> Religious liberty applies only until it is incompatible with our Constitution. I feel that fear from terrorism is winning and the right and is more than willing to start a culture war between Christianity and Islam. The culture war has already begun, whether we admit it not. You might not see it that way, but that's...
I don't think the idea of a Muslim takeover is plausible, but even as a small minority, groups can have huge differences on elections. As a thought experiment, there are two groups A and B. A has 1000 members and B has 950 members. A has successfully defended laws protecting LGBT rights, freedom of speech, and the ...
5z6lhv
CMV: There isn't a Muslim agenda to take over the West.
I am not sure how this conspiracy took hold. Europe MAY have an acclimation problem, but as long as we continue to fight for the US Constitution (Separation of Church and State), we will not have a problem here. We just cannot allow pockets of society from ANY culture to govern themselves in this country (Sharia). R...
1,489,428,551
CJL_1976
dew4091
devua0i
8
1
CMV: Transgenderism is a mental illness. I understand that I'll probably get a lot of hate for posting this but this has been going back and forth on my mind for a while now. I study biochem in college and I am looking to go into pharmaceutics, this has made me take extensive classes in psychology, neurology, and ana...
Is there any reason why transgenderism is a mental disorder and not a physical one? Or, to put it another way, why does a person's phenotype take precedence over their internal self image?
> I am for gay rights and I do not have a phobia of trans people. So, do you believe that homosexuality is **not** a mental illness? Couldn't you make a similar argument that "people's brain chemistry is out of homeostasis leading certain individuals to create a false image of self within their consciousness" because...
5z73z2
CMV: Transgenderism is a mental illness.
I understand that I'll probably get a lot of hate for posting this but this has been going back and forth on my mind for a while now. I study biochem in college and I am looking to go into pharmaceutics, this has made me take extensive classes in psychology, neurology, and anatomy. From what I've learned it seems to m...
1,489,433,353
BlazedLarry
devs6g1
devs68x
27
10
CMV: America's Health Care System is Broken and no system that depends on Insurance will ever be ideal. A switch to State Run Medicine is the only way to lower costs and get the most people covered. As a Canadian I look at the American system as fundamentally broken to the core. Pharma charges outrageous prices knowin...
[The Swiss system uses consumer insurance](https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/#7215c6357d74) It's been praised by left (Ezra Klein) to right (Meghan McArdle/Tyler Cowen) >Swiss citizens buy insurance for themselves; there are no employer-sponsor...
>Pharma charges outrageous prices knowing they can because you are covered by Insurance, where as a State run system would have pressure on it to put pressure on Pharma to get drug costs down. Why would the government be more efficient at pressuring the Pharma than Insurance companies? Insurance companies can (and d...
5z84fe
CMV: America's Health Care System is Broken and no system that depends on Insurance will ever be ideal. A switch to State Run Medicine is the only way to lower costs and get the most people covered.
As a Canadian I look at the American system as fundamentally broken to the core. Pharma charges outrageous prices knowing they can because you are covered by Insurance, where as a State run system would have pressure on it to put pressure on Pharma to get drug costs down. An insurance based system is flawed to it's co...
1,489,442,848
Cmikhow
dew1ucb
dew1lnf
12
3
CMV: Black Americans deserve more credit than they get for their patience on economic, policing, and other issues. I know how you'll start with "But they riot and shit!" If you look at it statistically, they are much more willing to "turn the other cheek" toward oppression and violence than many other ethnic groups. ...
I'm not sure if "credit" is the right term. I think the other poster you awarded a delta to is wrong and disrespectful-- but the crux of the issue isn't that they're more patient, it's that they're used to it. Just like Americans aren't more patient about gun violence or police brutality on the whole. Of course Wester...
I do believe that Americans in general are less likely to protest/be politically active. I think it's not due to laziness, but rather our lifestyles are more hectic. We work longer hours, get paid less, take shorter vacations, and so on. It's harder to be politically active when you're grinding 24/7.
5z8iqr
CMV: Black Americans deserve more credit than they get for their patience on economic, policing, and other issues.
I know how you'll start with "But they riot and shit!" If you look at it statistically, they are much more willing to "turn the other cheek" toward oppression and violence than many other ethnic groups. France, 2005: Black guy electrocutes himself while running from police. Weeks of riots throughout the country by bla...
1,489,446,857
YeShitpostAccount
dew6hbw
dew57h6
15
1
CMV: Reddit.com is an AWESOME website! Reddit calls itself “the front page of the internet,” and that’s exactly what it is. When you pick up a newspaper, the best, most interesting stories can be found on the front page. If you want to find the best news stories, pictures, videos, or thought-provoking posts on the int...
What on the surface may seem like an simple democratic system for identifying and spreading the best the internet has to offer has been corrupted by companies and organizations who use Reddit's large user-base and eco-chamber like structure to sneakily influence people by manipulating which posts get up voted and seen....
While the *theory* regarding upvotes and downvotes is sound, the actual practice of using them to express *agreement* and *disagreement* instead of relevance leads to echo chambers where people have little *actual* chance to change their opinions unless, perhaps, extremely heavy moderation with lots of work by unapprec...
5z8sj5
CMV: Reddit.com is an AWESOME website!
Reddit calls itself “the front page of the internet,” and that’s exactly what it is. When you pick up a newspaper, the best, most interesting stories can be found on the front page. If you want to find the best news stories, pictures, videos, or thought-provoking posts on the internet, just head to Reddit! How do they ...
1,489,449,768
SkillUpYT
dewbz7v
dew6zm5
11
4
CMV: It is a lot harder being a guy than it is being a woman Let me first start off by saying that I love woman and I do not hate women at all. My dad died when I was young and I was raised by my mother and my sister growing up. I will never completely understand what it is like being a woman and of course I am willin...
Seems like you're suffering from a lot of "The grass is always greener" syndrome. I don't mean that to be rude, I'd just invite you to look at the female side of all of what you've described, from a female lens, rather than a male one. Dating and relationships - I think this is the strongest case for men having it ha...
First of all... the plural form is "women," with an "e." The word "woman" is singular. One woman. Two women. Many women. Women in the workplace. > However, I am 5'5". So dating is very very difficult for me. I have had about 3 girlfriends in my life and I considered myself very lucky to be in those relationships. When...
5zafwd
CMV: It is a lot harder being a guy than it is being a woman
Let me first start off by saying that I love woman and I do not hate women at all. My dad died when I was young and I was raised by my mother and my sister growing up. I will never completely understand what it is like being a woman and of course I am willing to change my view. I am in no way a "men's rights activist" ...
1,489,470,545
websitesrus
dewoyda
dewmlf2
37
27
CMV: Infringing on Free Speech rights is indefensible. I don't believe any one or group has the right to say that an individual or group can't speak or meet. This has been growing as a tactic, especially inside the left, in recent years; or at least I've seen more of it. I remember a Richard Dawkins talk got shut do...
So I mostly agree with you. If you're not familiar with John Stewart Mill, I recommend you look into his book *On Liberty*. The phrase "marketplace of ideas" is often used in reference to him. The general theory is that truth will emerge from an environment where all "ideas" are in free and unrestricted competition...
Private places don't have to give you space to speak what you want to speak about. And often when people make free speech ideas they simply want to talk about things with no criticism. It seems like you aren't making this argument, but it is often made. You may the right to tell your boss to fuck off, but that does...
5zaon9
CMV: Infringing on Free Speech rights is indefensible.
I don't believe any one or group has the right to say that an individual or group can't speak or meet. This has been growing as a tactic, especially inside the left, in recent years; or at least I've seen more of it. I remember a Richard Dawkins talk got shut down not to long ago. To pick recent cases I'm familiar...
1,489,474,709
vegablack
dewnc4x
dewn7il
20
6
CMV:It is okay to be petty. I think it is okay to be petty. Here are my reasons 1. There is often, no benefit in being the bigger person. Often being the bigger person will leave you with less - feeling less. If someone does you wrong by taking something from you - and you let it go - you're off with less and often f...
If you react to obnoxious behavior, the obnoxious person is in control. If your goal is your own happiness, you are better off not being petty. Do what you are going to do, without regard to the difficult behavior of others. Then you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you were the one who decided what to do- and th...
It depends on what you mean by "okay." "Morally permissible" is a hard sell. "Morally impermissible but forgivable" is much easier.
5zawzu
CMV:It is okay to be petty.
I think it is okay to be petty. Here are my reasons 1. There is often, no benefit in being the bigger person. Often being the bigger person will leave you with less - feeling less. If someone does you wrong by taking something from you - and you let it go - you're off with less and often feel lesser than you would bef...
1,489,478,935
qjacq
dex7vr1
dewofj4
2
1
CMV: I don't think guns can be effectively used for self-defence I don't think guns can be effectively used for self-defence. First of something about me, maybe it'll be useful somehow. I live in Germany and I'm not that opposed to gun possession. And as the USA is the only major western country I know of which has t...
Here is another realistic scenario where self defense with a gun is a viable option. You live in the woods pretty far from any sort of law enforcement and a bear breaks into your house and starts rummaging through your kitchen. If you don't have a gun, you have pretty much no options in this situation besides hoping ...
It's much more broad than just a self defense issue. Self-defense is a really minor argument for American gun laws. In particular, there's a very tight balance concerning gun control in the U.S. and for those obsessed with our second amendment. We also have a third variable, which is Mexico. A good deal of the reaso...
5zcos0
CMV: I don't think guns can be effectively used for self-defence
I don't think guns can be effectively used for self-defence. First of something about me, maybe it'll be useful somehow. I live in Germany and I'm not that opposed to gun possession. And as the USA is the only major western country I know of which has these major gun issues I'm interested in the reasons why the USA do...
1,489,504,511
CDWEBI
dex26jb
dex16g9
2
1
CMV: Libertarianism is fundamentally flawed It is my understanding that libertarianism views the right to property as so fundamental that no "greater good" is enough to justify any infringement on it. Libertarianism still allows that property to be taken, but only to protect you from criminals or foreign invaders, an...
We are talking about the philosophical ideals of a political system. If there is a contradiction in those ideals, it is a flaw. > The assumption is that companies want to maximize profits. So if Company B sees that it can increase its profits by undercutting Company A's prices, it would theoretically do so. Except t...
> And as I I've said, how likely it is doesn't matter. It's a thought experiment on government and citizen rights. Right, but you could come up with a hypothetical situation to disprove any political theory you want. > That solution could also work on a liberal government. It would be more libertarian, but still not ...
5zefky
CMV: Libertarianism is fundamentally flawed
It is my understanding that libertarianism views the right to property as so fundamental that no "greater good" is enough to justify any infringement on it. Libertarianism still allows that property to be taken, but only to protect you from criminals or foreign invaders, and to establish a just court system. Let's im...
1,489,520,810
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT
dexlbtv
dexki16
5
2
CMV: I think Alice in Wonderland is overrated. I think that both the original novel and the subsequent adaptations are visually interesting but, I have yet to find any redeeming qualities beyond imaginative imagery. I feel as though there is little substance under the surface of the story. I am aware it takes place in...
Go to your local library and grab a copy of Martin Gardner's [_Annotated Alice._](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annotated_Alice) (if you don't recognize the name, Gardner is basically synonymous with recreational mathematics). In it, he explains all the references to Victorian culture and the parodies and satire th...
> I have yet to find any redeeming qualities beyond imaginative imagery. The book actually has a deeper meaning as a metacritique on childrens literature as a whole. Lewis Carroll's *"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"* (1865) is meant as a parody of the Aesob's Fables, Brothers Grimm, and other children's stories of ...
5zgaam
CMV: I think Alice in Wonderland is overrated.
I think that both the original novel and the subsequent adaptations are visually interesting but, I have yet to find any redeeming qualities beyond imaginative imagery. I feel as though there is little substance under the surface of the story. I am aware it takes place in a dream and dreams are often irrational but for...
1,489,539,493
BMison
dexvu4p
dexvty4
29
16
CMV: A child's nontraditional gender identity can be written off as "just a phase" I don't believe that adults who identify as transgender are just "going through a phase." Clearly they've given this thought and consideration and as adults I believe they are (hopefully) mature enough to make a calculated and informed ...
What about the negative consequences of brushing off the professed-trans child? By brushing off the child's confession, a parent is basically saying "this deeply important realization you had about your gender, it doesn't matter to me, and I probably won't be supportive about it later either." Lack of familial support ...
On the wife's side, there is a girl who is both transgender and cognitively challenged. She knew at age 11-12 that she wasn't a boy and should dress and act like a girl. It was clearly apparently to her. And then magically the time when she started to act and dress like a girl a lot of her negative behaviors simply...
5zhvej
CMV: A child's nontraditional gender identity can be written off as "just a phase"
I don't believe that adults who identify as transgender are just "going through a phase." Clearly they've given this thought and consideration and as adults I believe they are (hopefully) mature enough to make a calculated and informed decision about how they choose to identify. Children, on the other hand, are not; we...
1,489,560,663
benkbloch
deya49i
dey9cok
42
23
CMV: In the current state of international relations, The US nuclear arsenal is redundant and possibly detrimental to military strategy. Strategically, logistically, and diplomatically, nuclear weapons are useless or worse. Ignoring the cost to maintain the Minuteman and similar ICBM systems and sea and air-based nucl...
Nation states change. One minute you're a wienmar Republic, the next you're the next nazi regime. Turkey although part of NATO, is actively doing away with democracy. What happens if Iran unifies it's sphere of influence in the middle east? The other side of war is you don't want to win 45-42, you want to win 100-0. ...
It's a game. Make sure everyone has good reason to stay friendly and if not friendly, then keep them from being hostile. >Everyone is in everyone else's pants, pockets, and boardrooms; Which is the carrot to the nuclear stick. Give everyone a reason to cooperate. Offering a reason to actually be, if not friends th...
5zj29b
CMV: In the current state of international relations, The US nuclear arsenal is redundant and possibly detrimental to military strategy.
Strategically, logistically, and diplomatically, nuclear weapons are useless or worse. Ignoring the cost to maintain the Minuteman and similar ICBM systems and sea and air-based nuclear capabilities, there are no enemies against which we could ever feasibly use nuclear weapons, and everyone knows it. The reason is glob...
1,489,581,107
wanderingbilby
deyir4r
deygmpv
34
9
CMV: Using "it's artistic and has a deeper meaning" is a stupid loophole for controversial statements. The basis of my statement comes from a music video that was released a few days ago. For those who don't know, a large Youtube channel known as PrankVsPrank released a Snoop Dogg music video. In the music video, Snoo...
>One of the thoughts that came to my head was, if I were to dress up as a cop, paint my white friend in blackface, then pretended to shoot him, I would be demonized and hated by everyone who saw it. For what purpose would you do this, other than as an attempt to be contrarian? What message would you aim to convey wit...
I don't understand a lot of the connections you are making. What specifically about the music video do you find offensive? What do you think is comparable about blackface? In general I think people defend acts against politicians in particular because that's a barometer of free speech. Not being able to make fun of p...
5zjdh4
CMV: Using "it's artistic and has a deeper meaning" is a stupid loophole for controversial statements.
The basis of my statement comes from a music video that was released a few days ago. For those who don't know, a large Youtube channel known as PrankVsPrank released a Snoop Dogg music video. In the music video, Snoop Dogg aims a gun at an actor painted like Donald Trump. When Snoop Dogg pulls the trigger of the firear...
1,489,584,993
ImNotVeryNorse
deyivyn
deyiu4x
17
15
CMV: Democrats should focus on their own base rather than Trump voters in future elections Democrats have been criticised for giving up on working class white men and many have said they need to reach out to these people. I disagree because I think that reaching out to these people is impossible as they are too loyal ...
I'd agree with that but the fact that so many voted for Trump despite him being almost incoherent means I can't believe that they voted for him just because of jobs.
> However, I have a hard time believing these traits are problematic in themselves, as they were pretty glaring on the other side. Yes, they were, but someone has to win, and this time it was that side. And truth be told, I think the Democrats were a lot worse about it this time, and that's why it happened. Just bec...
5zjl12
CMV: Democrats should focus on their own base rather than Trump voters in future elections
Democrats have been criticised for giving up on working class white men and many have said they need to reach out to these people. I disagree because I think that reaching out to these people is impossible as they are too loyal to Trump and because their views are so radically different to Democrats' own supporters, th...
1,489,587,363
Hastatus_107
deysaj6
deyqmke
2
1
CMV: There is no rational argument for doing away with the New York teacher literacy tests. http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/13/new-york-to-eliminate-literacy-test-for-teachers-in-order-to-be-more-diverse/ (yes, I know its the blaze, the facts of the story still stand.) In short, I cannot fathom a reason why it...
I have two challenges to your post. The first is with your implicit assumption that identical treatment = equal treatment. >Most stories I've read on the topic cite "racial issues" in one way or another, but I fail to see how a standardized test that is the same for all participants can possibly be racist. Equal tre...
The literacy test doesn't really demonstrate that a person is literate, it demonstrates how literate they are according to the literacy test. It is already required for teachers in New York to have their bachelor's degrees. They obviously know how to read. The problem is that the test more likely tests the teacher's...
5zjs8j
CMV: There is no rational argument for doing away with the New York teacher literacy tests.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/13/new-york-to-eliminate-literacy-test-for-teachers-in-order-to-be-more-diverse/ (yes, I know its the blaze, the facts of the story still stand.) In short, I cannot fathom a reason why it is in any way unreasonable to ask teachers to pass a literacy test that should be easily pas...
1,489,589,507
yumyumnom
deynfrp
deymh9s
22
6
CMV: Children are never too young for things. I don't mean this literally, as in I understand that a child is probably not going to understand particle physics, but in terms of what kids should be exposed to. You know, harsh topics and such that we consider to be reserved for mature adults. I think parents that try ...
> I think the role of a parent is to guide and explain thoroughly in order to produce successful offspring. Not to shelter them from "the real world." "The real world" has stuff to offer that traumatizes experienced, trained adults to the point of permanent damage, if not suicide. Why would anyone show something like ...
Having a kid who is just starting to get into walking and talking, I will gladly admit that I grossly overestimated my ability to reason with a toddler and his ability to be reasoned with. He isn't an adult, and I cannot logically explain to him, for example, why he shouldn't eat the cat's food. It simply does not w...
5zk4re
CMV: Children are never too young for things.
I don't mean this literally, as in I understand that a child is probably not going to understand particle physics, but in terms of what kids should be exposed to. You know, harsh topics and such that we consider to be reserved for mature adults. I think parents that try to censor things for their children are only do...
1,489,592,915
OGHuggles
deyq4g6
deyp3xt
17
7
CMV: The United States can and should (and to a degree already does) act as the "World Police" The United States, being the only nation on earth that currently has the military capacity to destroy any other regime on earth, has a duty and a responsibility to function as a de-facto police force for the world. Now the...
Why not just expand the purpose of NATO to fill the role of World Police? That way we aren't putting all our eggs in the US's basket.
Sounds like dictatorship
5zkwsk
CMV: The United States can and should (and to a degree already does) act as the "World Police"
The United States, being the only nation on earth that currently has the military capacity to destroy any other regime on earth, has a duty and a responsibility to function as a de-facto police force for the world. Now the decision of which regimes to take down should NOT rest with the United States alone. That powe...
1,489,600,204
UnlikelySoccerStar
deyw832
deyvj6a
3
2
CMV: Airline seats should not recline I am 6'1" and find flying incredibly uncomfortable due to inconsiderate people who just slam their seat back with no concern for the person behind them. People doing so causes a whole host of problems. First, airplane seats are an incredibly limited space and the person in front ...
How long was your flight? Maybe you should split the difference in your view and wish for a future where short haul flights don't recline and long haul flights do? I know a 13 hour flight with no recline is not nearly as nice as a 13 hour flight with recline.
If the airlines installed seats that did not recline it is unlikely that they would just let you have the extra 2 or so inches of space which is now allotted to the reclining seat. They would just make the seats closer together with the extra space savings and try to cram more seats on the plane. You would be trading t...
5zlhcy
CMV: Airline seats should not recline
I am 6'1" and find flying incredibly uncomfortable due to inconsiderate people who just slam their seat back with no concern for the person behind them. People doing so causes a whole host of problems. First, airplane seats are an incredibly limited space and the person in front of me shouldn't be able to encroach on ...
1,489,605,464
J_L_Hand
dez0yq5
dez0kdj
16
13
CMV:We need to raise taxes on the richest 1% [The richest 1% own over 40% of Americas wealth while the poorest Americans own almost nothing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM) The bottom 80% of Americans own only 7% of the wealth and are being crushed by this grotesque level of income inequality. If the...
[The top 1% already pay 47.5% of all the income tax](http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/13/top-1-pay-nearly-half-of-federal-income-taxes.html), which is already proportionally higher than the percentage of wealth they possess. How much more should they be paying. From the same article, the bottom 60% already pay less than 2...
The rich already pay huge percentages of their income in taxes (sometimes around 70%). To help the poor we need to give them better paying jobs in prder to get everybody working and productive. This is not acheived by raising taxes on the rich but instead incentivizing small buisnesses.
5zlolu
CMV:We need to raise taxes on the richest 1%
[The richest 1% own over 40% of Americas wealth while the poorest Americans own almost nothing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM) The bottom 80% of Americans own only 7% of the wealth and are being crushed by this grotesque level of income inequality. If the rich were taxed much more, it would solve alm...
1,489,607,311
mariyammisty
dez2emk
dez2ckm
77
11
CMV: Trying to change people's views on controversial topics is not only a waste of time, but detrimental to society. Here's a little meta change my view haha. A good example would be abortion(I think) to discuss. On the time wasting aspect. Many many people will not change their minds no matter what evidence is put...
>If abortion was 100% agreed to be ok. Then birth rates would fall. There would be less consequences to unprotected sex, (possibly) more std transfer would occure. (Maybe this was a bad example idk) That doesn’t necessarily follow. It’s possible for abortion to be legal, but extremely rare due to high education and c...
> Many many people will not change their minds no matter what evidence is put in front of them. Being able to figure out for whom that's the case is part of the art of politics and persuasion. > Because 9 times out of 10 it won't be changed. The 1/10 can still matter enough to make a difference. There are election...
5zlzbt
CMV: Trying to change people's views on controversial topics is not only a waste of time, but detrimental to society.
Here's a little meta change my view haha. A good example would be abortion(I think) to discuss. On the time wasting aspect. Many many people will not change their minds no matter what evidence is put in front of them. Wether it be religious, moral, or educational reasoning. Or simply being stubborn. This is the reaso...
1,489,610,086
Mathewdm423
dez5pvl
dez53ts
6
2
CMV: If you self-identify along the left/right political continuum then you're a chump The current left/right split as it's advertised in the media did not come about organically but was strategically engineered to pit the ordinary working stiffs against each other as a distraction in order to remove the uneducated po...
>Why the change? It's not some big conspiracy, we already have an answer for this, the Civil Rights Movement. As soon as Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he changed the nature of American politics. He split the Democratic Party apart, and Nixon courted the Southern Democrats to his side. This is ...
>The current left/right split as it's advertised in the media did not come about organically but was strategically engineered to pit the ordinary working stiffs against each other as a distraction in order to remove the uneducated populace from the political equation and so prevent having to bow to the will of the peop...
5zm7en
CMV: If you self-identify along the left/right political continuum then you're a chump
The current left/right split as it's advertised in the media did not come about organically but was strategically engineered to pit the ordinary working stiffs against each other as a distraction in order to remove the uneducated populace from the political equation and so prevent having to bow to the will of the peopl...
1,489,612,196
flintyeye
dezahva
dez9upx
3
2
CMV:Personhood is on a gradient from conception to adulthood Due to lack of alternation of generations and an independent metabolism I think that we can say that life begins at conception. I think however that that isn't ethically important but rather personhood is important. Personhood I believe is on a gradient from...
> Personhood I believe is on a gradient from conception to adulthood as intelligence increases. I postulate that "personhood" is [an illusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie) of convenience which the observer self-identifies and therefore self-defines. Since such a concept is totally dependent upon...
A gradient of what? Google tells me it is "an increase or decrease in the magnitude of a property". What property exactly is personhood, then? The ability to comprehend morality? If so, this is not a gradient of a singular substance but a qualitative threshold that depends on a certain basic wiring in your brain being ...
5zmwxc
CMV:Personhood is on a gradient from conception to adulthood
Due to lack of alternation of generations and an independent metabolism I think that we can say that life begins at conception. I think however that that isn't ethically important but rather personhood is important. Personhood I believe is on a gradient from conception to adulthood as intelligence increases. This is be...
1,489,619,234
Blood_tree
dezjs31
dezhdtp
2
1
CMV: The movie 'Get Out' is a viciously racist anti-White film that went over the heads of most white people. The movie "Get Out", by first time writer-director Jordan Peele, has made a splash this year, garnering 99% positive on Rotten Tomatoes, and earning $100 million in three weeks, which is very good for a horror...
I haven't seen Get Out yet, so let me just ask you some clarifying questions. In terms of why so many critics liked the movie, where does the face value explanation fall short for you? Did you find the movie poorly acted, poorly directed, poorly written aside from what you consider to be its real message? I ask becaus...
Or this could just be social commentary on how American society is. And that is what art should do. what often happens is that we attack the light shined on certain problems and not the problems themselves. I guess the real question is: Is the movie racist or is the society the movie examining racist?
5zn8eq
CMV: The movie 'Get Out' is a viciously racist anti-White film that went over the heads of most white people.
The movie "Get Out", by first time writer-director Jordan Peele, has made a splash this year, garnering 99% positive on Rotten Tomatoes, and earning $100 million in three weeks, which is very good for a horror movie. By all accounts it is loved by people of all races, and unlike the Netflix special 'Dear White People' ...
1,489,622,693
sinsity1
dezn45s
dezmb1k
19
12
CMV: Islamophobia equals discrimination against Muslims Hey /r/changemyview. I've heard lots of people on Reddit and in the Real World say that Islamophobia is just a lot of bunk, and they are criticizing the ideas behind Islam, not the actual Muslim population (the majority of which is "moderate" and not extremist). ...
That's a fair point, and I didn't include prejudice in my initial post. I guess an argument can be made that prejudice doesn't matter if it's not acted on (if you've seen it, a similar point is made in episode 7 of the TV show Atlanta). Basically, is it cool to be uncomfortable with the idea of homosexuals if you don't...
The definition I've seen most is that prejudice is the feeling itself and discrimination is behavior which hurts a group (and which may or may not have come from the feeling).
5znglv
CMV: Islamophobia equals discrimination against Muslims
Hey /r/changemyview. I've heard lots of people on Reddit and in the Real World say that Islamophobia is just a lot of bunk, and they are criticizing the ideas behind Islam, not the actual Muslim population (the majority of which is "moderate" and not extremist). I respectfully disagree, but I'm open to change. I belie...
1,489,625,194
Could-Have-Been-King
dezjyuq
dezjdp8
2
1
CMV: Regarding any problem, if it does not affect me or my companions directly, then I should be indifferent to it. People often complain about politics or social issues, which do not affect me. I find social issues and politics are typically trivial issues that people complain about. Furthermore, the existence of two...
Trivial to you, perhaps, but most definitely not trivial to other people. Abortion? Gay Rights? Access to birth control? Affordable Health care? These are literally life or death issues to some people. Why should you care about things that don't affect you? If you aren't swayed by the fact that caring about the wel...
> Regarding any problem, if it does not affect me or my companions directly, then I should be indifferent to it. **Though experiment:** You and everyone you know *cannot and do not* suffer from cancer. Millions of others can and do. Is cancer still a problem?
5znqmb
CMV: Regarding any problem, if it does not affect me or my companions directly, then I should be indifferent to it.
People often complain about politics or social issues, which do not affect me. I find social issues and politics are typically trivial issues that people complain about. Furthermore, the existence of two primary political ideologies in western societies is an issue. A lot of arguments devolve into childish bickering. ...
1,489,628,350
AnnoRudd
dezkmxp
dezkcs4
2
1
CMV: For the U.S, the future is quite bleak. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, things have been pretty rosy for the U.S, notwithstanding a couple pretty minor lapses. However, that seems to be coming to a close. Tensions between pretty much all major powers are rising, with the Ukraine crisis, the escalating te...
I think you are making things look much more dire than they really are. Firstly, you point to the rise of China with much anxiety. It is true that China is rising and that America is losing its status as a unipolar power, however, most foreign policy experts believe that there will be a multipolar geopolitical stage,...
>Not only is the U.S losing it's ability to project soft power in Europe (Brexit comes to mind.) That says much more about the EU's inability to project power on it's members or rather the fact that the populus don't appreciate attempts at projections of power by the EU. >Rejecting the TPP cedes the entirety of the...
5zo3vd
CMV: For the U.S, the future is quite bleak.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, things have been pretty rosy for the U.S, notwithstanding a couple pretty minor lapses. However, that seems to be coming to a close. Tensions between pretty much all major powers are rising, with the Ukraine crisis, the escalating tensions in the South China Sea. The United Stat...
1,489,632,633
Parkourwalrus
df00em5
dezq3c4
7
5
CMV: "Reverse racism" is rampant and horribly overlooked Firstly, I'm a white dude. If that matters to anybody, thought I'd get it out there. Anyway, here's the deal: I know racism is a real, serious problem. It is and I can accept that. But why is it that while *everyone* seems to be pining towards better rights and...
White people still don't know what it means to grow up with black skin. There is still this racial disconnect that people don't understand. Lots of people think that racism ended in 1865. Lots of people make the claim that black people actually have it better. And then we find that there are still deeply seeded r...
> Like- I've seen people pick on white people before in non-harmful ways. Racial jokes may be a bit dark and over the top sometimes, but they don't do harm because most of the time they're just jokes that have no seriousness behind them. Why does it matter if they have seriousness behind them? > Not to mention: Th...
5zo49u
CMV: "Reverse racism" is rampant and horribly overlooked
Firstly, I'm a white dude. If that matters to anybody, thought I'd get it out there. Anyway, here's the deal: I know racism is a real, serious problem. It is and I can accept that. But why is it that while *everyone* seems to be pining towards better rights and outlooks on minorities, it's almost as if everyone is cam...
1,489,632,763
Mysteroo
dezp5a1
deznvnr
13
3
CMV: Fake news doesn't really exist. And people's distrust in the media is unwarranted. Now to be clear I am not stating that varying news organizations have no bias, that is impossible and I'm not even sure that's a huge issue. But i would argue that the idea that mainstream media is deluding and lying to their audie...
Fake news isn't about mainstream media it's about online media. Some people/organizations create often deceptively similar site names as real news, put made up stories on them, and these have had some action taken against them by google and facebook after the election. It's a very real thing, it's just not what you see...
NPR actually did a good segement on this. When politicians cite something as fake news, they usually refer to a news story which has been fabricated, usually by tabloid magazines or people from opposing political parties. Fake news certainly exists. It does not exist, however, in the sense that Donald Trump says, wh...
5zo61d
CMV: Fake news doesn't really exist. And people's distrust in the media is unwarranted.
Now to be clear I am not stating that varying news organizations have no bias, that is impossible and I'm not even sure that's a huge issue. But i would argue that the idea that mainstream media is deluding and lying to their audiences is frankly rather absurd. I would imagine a newspaper that prints lies doesn't get b...
1,489,633,353
Ando_Bando
dezoydp
dezosk0
19
15
CMV: Violent criminals should be castrated I think that as a punishment for recidivism violent criminals should be castrated. My rationale is twofold: firstly it is something that is universally humiliating and detrimental to quality of life, unlike imprisonment which increases quality of life for poor people or peopl...
1) What would you do about female criminals? They can't be castrated. 2) There is no such thing as "criminal genes". No one is born a criminal. Criminals are created by environmental social influences. 3) Such a practice would be considered "cruel and unusual punishment" in the US, so it would be unconstitutional. ...
If people are living in such poor conditions that they want to commit violent crimes to spend long periods of time in prison there's way bigger issues that need to be addressed. People committing crimes so they can go to jail and increase their quality of life is unlikely to be deterred by castration.
5zoqvy
CMV: Violent criminals should be castrated
I think that as a punishment for recidivism violent criminals should be castrated. My rationale is twofold: firstly it is something that is universally humiliating and detrimental to quality of life, unlike imprisonment which increases quality of life for poor people or people who are used to the prison life, in fact i...
1,489,641,267
Blood_tree
deztttp
dezto63
16
7
CMV: Choosing a religion is foolishness (illogical), there are no logical basis to reject all the other religions and choose only one. As I make this claim, I hope someone gives me an insight that is logical, which I honestly doubt someone will succeed, but it is still a good mind exercise. So, since I was born, this ...
You could kind of make this claim about believing/accepting anything touted as the truth, though. Historical, scientific, philisophical, health and wellbeing-related, etc. You could say: how can you deny all other claims or conflicting explanations about something to choose only one as the truth? *People just acce...
>the mere idea of religion is foolishness, it is a really lazy way to face the universe, a lazy way born out of laziness. i disagree. the reason religions work so well is that they give you a reason to live. imagine you live in some shithole somewhere in the desert, no food, no work. you would get depressive. but if y...
5zq686
CMV: Choosing a religion is foolishness (illogical), there are no logical basis to reject all the other religions and choose only one.
As I make this claim, I hope someone gives me an insight that is logical, which I honestly doubt someone will succeed, but it is still a good mind exercise. So, since I was born, this never made any logical sense to me, how can people deny all the other religions and simply choose one? This just is illogical and makes ...
1,489,665,962
Garlicplanet
df0zab9
df03x56
3
0
CMV: The blocking of Trump's travel ban is an affront to democracy First of all, I realise that this is topic where many people have strong feelings, so I want to set out the scope of this CMV. The CMV relates to the [news I heard this morning](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39287656) about the blocking by...
>The judge is therefore blocking something which people specifically voted him into office to do Let's say, hypothetically, you had a candidate who wanted to reinstitute slavery for African Americans who was elected by _everyone_ in the US that wasn't black (about 86% of the US population). Should a judge block that ...
Campaigning to do something is not license to subvert the constitution or due process. If someone campaigned on abolishing freedom of religion, and creating a theocracy, that doesn’t mean that it’s automatically permissible. The US has a process for amending the constitution, and even a popular president has to go thr...
5zq9j8
CMV: The blocking of Trump's travel ban is an affront to democracy
First of all, I realise that this is topic where many people have strong feelings, so I want to set out the scope of this CMV. The CMV relates to the [news I heard this morning](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39287656) about the blocking by a federal judge in Hawaii of Donald Trump's travel ban. - I am not...
1,489,667,176
LondonPilot
df03r2b
df03r0i
18
6
CMV: There is no non-racist reason for people to say "Melania Trump is bringing class back to the White House". The phrases itself "bring class back" implies heavily that class was gone. So when I see a this phrase written over and over on middle aged White people's Facebook page's I have to wonder what possible way t...
There's also the sexist reason, that Melania is "classy" because she is content to sit there and look pretty and not interject herself into her husband's business/ political endeavors unlike a Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton.
It doesn't really matter my opinion, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit of a fixation on race to automatically assume that you cannot call someone "classier" without assuming the "less classy" comparison is black. It simply makes no sense.
5zqpgb
CMV: There is no non-racist reason for people to say "Melania Trump is bringing class back to the White House".
The phrases itself "bring class back" implies heavily that class was gone. So when I see a this phrase written over and over on middle aged White people's Facebook page's I have to wonder what possible way they could mean that other than someone white is back in the White House. These same people only ever managed to ...
1,489,672,620
slytherin-by-night
df09tpe
df09tfm
60
3
CMV: Going with your 10 years old children to R-rated movies is signs of bad parenting. Last weekend I went to my local theater to watch Logan, and there were at least two guys who had taken their children to that movie. Me and my date both agreed that it was inappropriate, but there was something in my mind that stop...
This is definitely a tricky one. The rating system is kind of too 'one size fits all'. Now I'm coming from an American perspective, here we are ok with suggestive sexual content but not any actual sex. We are super ok with violence all the violence. Just consider daytime tv for a minute, you 100% are not allowed to see...
> After much thought I concluded that only bad parents could succumb to the desires of their kids to that level, not care about official ratings and what is deemed inappropriate for children, or reward their children with something that could potentially cause trauma or imprint the wrong impression of the world to them...
5zqqte
CMV: Going with your 10 years old children to R-rated movies is signs of bad parenting.
Last weekend I went to my local theater to watch Logan, and there were at least two guys who had taken their children to that movie. Me and my date both agreed that it was inappropriate, but there was something in my mind that stopped me from judging them too harshly. After much thought I concluded that only bad parent...
1,489,673,021
Samuel1698
df07vak
df07gdp
20
8
CMV: The political truth isn't at the barycenter of the public opinion. I think that my post is an extension to politics and reporting of this /r/philosophy post about [the bias fallacy](https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/5z0uxt/theyre_biased_so_theyre_wrong_thats_a_fallacy/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=h...
"I define the political truth as the political ideas and government policies that would optimally increase the people's collective and individual happiness as well as securing the prosperity and civilisation of a country, under given circumstances, in the short and long term." I think you are going to get flack for yo...
>To summarize, I would say that it is okay that a certain intellectual "elite", as heterogenous as it may be, stray from the opinons of the people, and that it is the people that should adjust and not the opposite. I don't disagree with this statement in principle, but I don't necessarily accept that a degree in journ...
5zqvom
CMV: The political truth isn't at the barycenter of the public opinion.
I think that my post is an extension to politics and reporting of this /r/philosophy post about [the bias fallacy](https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/5z0uxt/theyre_biased_so_theyre_wrong_thats_a_fallacy/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=philosophy). Moreover, I believe that not o...
1,489,674,485
Sulfamide
df0drkq
df0b0hd
4
2
CMV: People are too liberal with the term 'racist' I am white, I believe in white privilege. However I find that if anyone is ignorant of white privilege, or believes in some aspects of it and not all, they're labeled racist by my white friends. If someone thinks affirmative action is wrong, they're racist. If someone...
Is the problem that the term is used to frequently, or that the very common racism that we all have is something we're really uncomfortable being called out on? That is, are you reacting to the "social cost" of being called a racist and then thinking "they aren't that bad"? Or...do you _really think_ that people aren...
I think your problem here is, you're understanding that there are three different definitions/faces of racism, ("hate-in-heart" vs. "cultural trends disadvantaging people of certain races" vs. "implicit attitudes") but you seem to always apply the latter two to the standards of the first. Accusing someone of hate-in-h...
5zr6ov
CMV: People are too liberal with the term 'racist'
I am white, I believe in white privilege. However I find that if anyone is ignorant of white privilege, or believes in some aspects of it and not all, they're labeled racist by my white friends. If someone thinks affirmative action is wrong, they're racist. If someone has anything but the most progressive view on every...
1,489,677,663
Throwaway569943
df0je0f
df0ey4h
8
5
CMV: Cultural Appropriation isn't a bad thing So first of all, I want to be clear in saying that as a society, we should be respectful and embracing of the cultures and traditions of other societies. Diversity and societal differences should be celebrated, not denigrated. However, with that in mind, I believe that- i...
How do you feel about the concept of "stolen valor"?
Exactly. The benefits can only be maximized if we participate in cultural appropriation.
5zrd9j
CMV: Cultural Appropriation isn't a bad thing
So first of all, I want to be clear in saying that as a society, we should be respectful and embracing of the cultures and traditions of other societies. Diversity and societal differences should be celebrated, not denigrated. However, with that in mind, I believe that- in America specifically, with its history of bei...
1,489,679,452
gelennei
df0uroc
df0j2gz
3
0
CMV: Schrodinger's Cat is not a paradox and is a pretty stupid concept Edit: okay, I went delta-trigger-happy for a bit there. I misinterpreted this paradox. Thanks, everyone! If you're unaware of this "paradox", the abridged version is a cat is put into a box with a contraption that may or may not kill it at some ...
The Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment was aimed at criticizing Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat Under that interpretation there is a principle of Quantum superposition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition) that say that certain qua...
The trick is that the state of Schrodinger's cat depends on a single quantum event, which in principle has an unknown result until you look at it, and in fact can be considered to have *both* results at the same time until you look at it. So, in a way, you can be 100% sure the cat is alive, and 100% sure the cat is de...
5zrwie
CMV: Schrodinger's Cat is not a paradox and is a pretty stupid concept
Edit: okay, I went delta-trigger-happy for a bit there. I misinterpreted this paradox. Thanks, everyone! If you're unaware of this "paradox", the abridged version is a cat is put into a box with a contraption that may or may not kill it at some point in time randomly selected and unbeknownst to spectators outside of...
1,489,684,670
azur08
df0i8im
df0i1w5
10
2
CMV: The majority of atheists are actually agnostics. The definition of an atheist, according to Merriam-Webster, is a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods b : a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods Also acc...
Yes, you are probably correct. Most atheists are actually agnostic about their belief in God. The problem is that that "agnostic" as it is commonly used is not a great descriptor. I used to call myself "agnostic" but when I told my theistic friends that, they would always counter back that, "Well, you say you aren't...
You seem to believe that people have to be one or the other. Personally, I would consider myself agnostic because I believe that the ultimate truth can never be known, however I would also consider myself an atheist because I lack belief in all of the gods that have ever been described to me by others. In casual conve...
5zsdb9
CMV: The majority of atheists are actually agnostics.
The definition of an atheist, according to Merriam-Webster, is a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods b : a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods Also according to Merriam-Webster, an agnostic is a person who ...
1,489,689,182
Positron311
df0mi0f
df0mfui
40
1
CMV: The college debt problem could have largely been avoided if students had made better choices regarding their academic careers I'm making this CMV because it is a common rhetoric I see on reddit, and I'd like to learn more about the reasons behind it to see if there's something I'm missing. Let me start with my o...
First of all, good for you. It sounds like you put in a lot of work, and that's very difficult to do. But you're also in a fortunate circumstance. (1) cost of living You mention how much you were able to save by living at home and attending your local college (which was fortunately also a good program). That's not t...
Why do we allow people to go bankrupt? Could you not always say that anyone who goes bankrupt made bad or imprudent decisions about their lifestyle, their business, their investments? Do we feel that a 17 year old applying for college and loans to pay for it is more at fault for a bad decision than a 58 year old busi...
5zsslx
CMV: The college debt problem could have largely been avoided if students had made better choices regarding their academic careers
I'm making this CMV because it is a common rhetoric I see on reddit, and I'd like to learn more about the reasons behind it to see if there's something I'm missing. Let me start with my own story. I'm currently in my final year of grad school. I spent 5 years working on my undergrad degrees (I double majored), and I...
1,489,693,307
Rockmar1
df0qk5x
df0qeh3
24
7
CMV: Christianity is used as a way to justify pre-existing moral beliefs, not as a source of them. This argument will be specific to Christianity, although I do think it likely applies to other religions. However, I don't know enough about other religions to have a meaningful conversation, so please keep your argument...
Ok gotcha thanks. I believe that this whole covenant contradicts the idea of an all good rational wise God, but I'm tired of arguing that point, so I'll just settle for thanking you for the new insight on how the old and New testaments work. Although I'm curious if there is anything in the old testament that says Jews ...
I guess it needed some supporting evidence, that which I can't fully explain here, as it's covered by.. maybe the first three chapters of his book. I was referencing that he makes an argument that morality is universal, and in being universal, it must be from god. OP would probably have to read *Mere Christianity* t...
5zt6p9
CMV: Christianity is used as a way to justify pre-existing moral beliefs, not as a source of them.
This argument will be specific to Christianity, although I do think it likely applies to other religions. However, I don't know enough about other religions to have a meaningful conversation, so please keep your arguments focused on Christianity. This is also specific to Christians who claim the Bible is the word of Go...
1,489,697,113
AllOfEverythingEver
df1ldnf
df0wljh
2
1
CMV: It's rude to talk when watching TV or a movie unless you've agreed that it's fine or if it's at a party or likewise. I enjoy watching TV with my family, whether it's a movie or a show or whatever. When I do it however, I'm there of course to hang out with my family, but I really want to watch what's on screen. I ...
> We've been talking all day, is an hour or two of silence too much to ask for? Nearly every movie and TV show will have scenes during which nothing of significance happens. There is even an app called [Runpee](http://runpee.com/), which lists all those moments during a cinema movie, so you can go to the bathroom with...
I don't know your situation, but it sounds like you're a teen. Time flies. You'll enjoy it more not to argue about it, and cut your family some slack for wanting to talk to you/each other.
5ztk61
CMV: It's rude to talk when watching TV or a movie unless you've agreed that it's fine or if it's at a party or likewise.
I enjoy watching TV with my family, whether it's a movie or a show or whatever. When I do it however, I'm there of course to hang out with my family, but I really want to watch what's on screen. I feel like my family is rude for talking over a TV show I really want to watch. Someone comes with the argument that it's po...
1,489,700,863
PenisMcScrotumFace
df0yyfv
df0yihs
4
3
CMV: Windows 10 was good for the vast majority of people. Every time I hear about Windows 10 on Reddit, it is ALWAYS in a negative tone. No matter how minor the issue is, there is people complaining about it. With a little research, it is generally found that this issue exists in Windows 7/8.1 as well, it's just a min...
> Reddit, what is so bad about Windows 10? From an enterprise point of view it is very difficult / annoying to turn off all the "consumer crap" (Mail app, Stocks things, The Store) that I 100% don't want my users using. We use Outlook, not Mail. They click mail, it no work. They call help desk. Should be an option t...
I think most complaints were directed at the fact that updates and data-collecting features could not be turned off. Unwanted updates to the OS could cause some drivers or programs to become incompatible with your OS. Privacy was the main issue with data collection since Windows 10 is by default set up to collect all k...
5zu5lu
CMV: Windows 10 was good for the vast majority of people.
Every time I hear about Windows 10 on Reddit, it is ALWAYS in a negative tone. No matter how minor the issue is, there is people complaining about it. With a little research, it is generally found that this issue exists in Windows 7/8.1 as well, it's just a minor thing that isn't an issue. Whenever I hear about people ...
1,489,707,085
_selfishPersonReborn
df17kjt
df1331t
10
5
CMV: The stigma against Nazism is not equally applied to communism, and that is a double standard. I'm trying this here because it didn't go over so well on ELI5. In quotation marks is what I posted on ELI5. "Both communism and Nazism have killed millions. The mere accusation of being a Nazi is enough for prominent ...
A drunk driver passes out at the wheel, veers into oncoming traffic and kills a family of five (father, mother, and three young children). A person decides he would enjoy killing someone and abducts a mother and her three young children and kills them all. The drunk driver killed more people. But the serial killer i...
The difference between Communism and Nazism, at least in regards to people who follow each is the difference between useful idiots and intentional bigots. In the real world Communism is probably the most brutal, repressive, and evil ideology humans have ever created. However, to quote the great philosopher, H.J. Simp...
5zu997
CMV: The stigma against Nazism is not equally applied to communism, and that is a double standard.
I'm trying this here because it didn't go over so well on ELI5. In quotation marks is what I posted on ELI5. "Both communism and Nazism have killed millions. The mere accusation of being a Nazi is enough for prominent figures to encourage vigilante violence against someone. Communism is definitely seen as flawed, but...
1,489,708,207
r4r3-p3p3
df1sagu
df1igcv
11
2
CMV: Green eyes give you a pass on St Patrick's Day. Around these parts, people pinch you if you don't display green on St Patrick's Day. In my opinion the purpose is to have everyone showing some bit of green on them. Green eyes do just that, but many say it doesn't count. Some argue that it is down to what you wear ...
You're not even going as far as "displaying green": > Display: make a prominent exhibition of (something) in a place where it can be easily seen. You just happen to have green on you and aren't "making a prominent exhibition" of it.
Of course the rule isn't enforcable, but then again it doesn't need to be. Unless you openly admit that you forgot about St. Patricks day, nobody is going to pinch you if you wear any green (or applied it to your body otherwise, as per OPs examples).
5zxfn4
CMV: Green eyes give you a pass on St Patrick's Day.
Around these parts, people pinch you if you don't display green on St Patrick's Day. In my opinion the purpose is to have everyone showing some bit of green on them. Green eyes do just that, but many say it doesn't count. Some argue that it is down to what you wear but I see no purpose to this. It's about having everyo...
1,489,755,685
Chiralmaera
df1tvcd
df1tka6
4
1
CMV: The United States should split into than one country. Instant edit: I messed up the title, I'm sorry :( I believe that the United States is too large and too diverse to ever have a government that truly represents the people. I think that it would be beneficial to everyone in the country if we split into 4 or 5 ...
There are many many complexities to this, but I want to go into the weeds with just one: debt. The US government owes a lot of money to a lot of people. Those debts are guaranteed by the Constitution (14th amendment) and are owed in US Dollars. If the US splits up, somebody needs to handle all of the debt somehow. ...
> One could argue that having 50 states with their own laws is essentially the same thing I am proposing, and I would agree iff the states had the kind of individual power that they did in the early days of the USA. I, however, believe that not every state could support itself like California or Texas could.
6006u7
CMV: The United States should split into than one country.
Instant edit: I messed up the title, I'm sorry :( I believe that the United States is too large and too diverse to ever have a government that truly represents the people. I think that it would be beneficial to everyone in the country if we split into 4 or 5 countries that share an EU-like relationship, but have separ...
1,489,783,597
plebasaurus_rex
df2iiqo
df2i8kw
443
7
CMV: Public transport should be free for non-business use As said in the title, I believe public transportation should be available for free. My reasons for this are as follows: 1. Less people would feel the need to use cars, making the roads less packed and allowing buses and trains better access. 2. More impoveris...
No cost often leads to very frivolous over-use of something that doesn't work well when it's over-used. Public buses can already get quite full and there aren't that many of them. Buses are already dramatically cheaper than cars, to change car use we need something more comprehensive - a combination deal including ne...
In addition to what cacheflow said which I highly agree with... Another problem with this idea is that I believe you have it backwards. It'd make more sense if it was free *for* business use (regarding employment). I'd much rather make public transport free for poor people who need to go to work, rather than make it f...
6010d4
CMV: Public transport should be free for non-business use
As said in the title, I believe public transportation should be available for free. My reasons for this are as follows: 1. Less people would feel the need to use cars, making the roads less packed and allowing buses and trains better access. 2. More impoverished individuals wouldn't have to worry about being able to ...
1,489,792,717
Kavidun
df2tqea
df2s981
9
3
CMV: There are mean IQ gaps between African and non-African populations that are partially explained by heritable factors This is a position I've been struggling with lately. If I'm correct, it doesn't make me want to reject my egalitarian political beliefs, but it does make me feel a little uncomfortable about the he...
Okay points that need to be made about IQ. IQ is a pretty horrible metric for measuring intelligence. The Wechsler scale which is kinda the standard still tends to fall incredibly short in cross cultural studies. As in it gives radically different scores depending on conditions of testing. On top of that they don't giv...
IQ testing is culturally bias and a poor indicator of intelligence between groups.
602xe7
CMV: There are mean IQ gaps between African and non-African populations that are partially explained by heritable factors
This is a position I've been struggling with lately. If I'm correct, it doesn't make me want to reject my egalitarian political beliefs, but it does make me feel a little uncomfortable about the heritability of socially valued traits liked intelligence, and the effect that this might have on unequal outcomes between ra...
1,489,820,467
devin_d
df36yni
df34nzk
3
2
CMV: U.S. government should not spend money on bringing good internet access to small towns and rural areas. For internet providers, it is cheap/efficient to offer internet services in cities since people are close together. It is too expensive and unprofitable to set up equipment in places where people are spread o...
It's not so much that people want those services and therefore should get it plenty are happy without it. However things like electricity, telephone and now Internet have changed the way the world does business. Do you think cities would be the economic powerhouses they if the farms that fed them didn't have power or...
Also very true, for the most part. The last part I take issue with. [I am also frustrated by people who vote against their own self-interest, but luckily we don't require their permission to help.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzfc9rjow9g) I like to think that difference between me and some of the people I politica...
605p85
CMV: U.S. government should not spend money on bringing good internet access to small towns and rural areas.
For internet providers, it is cheap/efficient to offer internet services in cities since people are close together. It is too expensive and unprofitable to set up equipment in places where people are spread out. BUT, it is also true that these places benefit immensely from government investment with two major acts:...
1,489,863,091
SomeoneWithOpinions
df3rygu
df3ps8a
3
1
CMV: The United States should require it's citizens to provide valid photo ID to vote Requiring government issued photo ID is often mischaracterized as “voter suppression”, despite photo ID being necessary for many aspects of American life . For Example: >You need a photo ID to open a bank account. >You need a phot...
Stolen from /u/k9centipede > Poll-Taxes are specifically stated in the constitution as not allowed. Anything that requires you to pay money before you can vote is a poll tax. This includes requiring an ID that you have to pay for, even if that ID is useful in other ways. IDs expire. And when they expire, it's not alwa...
The problem is that many people have had an ID at *some point* in their lives. But you may notice that driver's licenses expire in 4 years, and most of these laws require currently valid ID. That's a lot of money to pay for someone living hand-to-mouth, especially since they probably don't have the documents needed to...
606emp
CMV: The United States should require it's citizens to provide valid photo ID to vote
Requiring government issued photo ID is often mischaracterized as “voter suppression”, despite photo ID being necessary for many aspects of American life . For Example: >You need a photo ID to open a bank account. >You need a photo ID to obtain a job. >Conversely, you also need an ID to file for unemployment. >You...
1,489,871,220
[deleted]
df4fdwy
df4dxi9
8
3
CMV: When someone knowingly enters into a permanent relationship with somone that has a mental/social/anxiety disorder they are morally obligated to stay in that relationship past the point where they are simply "unhappy". Hear me out. First of all, by permanent, I mean marrriage or has children (purposefully or not, ...
I can see where you're coming from, but there is no obligation to stay in any kind of relationship. Treating people with mental illness and creating a different expectation when you are in a relationship with them is a kind 'positive' ableism. Logically, it may be a good idea to keep in mind that mental illness has it...
What if I thought I could handle it but in actuality its more than I can handle and I feel suicidal all because I feel is my obligation to stick by a person in my opinion is best to look out for yourself before someone else or you may become permanently scarred for life or even take it
606tl7
CMV: When someone knowingly enters into a permanent relationship with somone that has a mental/social/anxiety disorder they are morally obligated to stay in that relationship past the point where they are simply "unhappy".
Hear me out. First of all, by permanent, I mean marrriage or has children (purposefully or not, if they are already in a romatic monogamous relationship). And I mean that the person was made aware ahead of time, before any serious life changes, of their partners issues. That they had them, what they were, what their pa...
1,489,876,104
slytherin-by-night
df40w8u
df3z8oh
9
2
CMV: PNG is a vastly superior file format to JPG in most all situations. *First things first, I would like to mention that I am a digital art hobbyist, and I need to get the highest possible quality images. I often use a minimalistic artstyle when making my pieces, and for such to be effective, the lines need to be cr...
Hello, okay so its clear why you root for png. Its because you are doing line art, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT PNG'S ARE FOR. Now, JPG is for photographs. That is because they offer serious reduction in size, for no reduction of quality what so ever **But didnt you just said that is what PNG is for?** Yes, but only for li...
I prefer png myself for all the reasons you mentioned, but jpg is still more universally accepted/used by software, websites, etc. I have never seen a situation where a png is accepted and a jpg isn't, but I have had to convert back to a jpg many times for the sake of some old or clumsy software that my school, employ...
606zyh
CMV: PNG is a vastly superior file format to JPG in most all situations.
*First things first, I would like to mention that I am a digital art hobbyist, and I need to get the highest possible quality images. I often use a minimalistic artstyle when making my pieces, and for such to be effective, the lines need to be crisp down to 2 pixels in up to 1200 . [Please click this link if you wish t...
1,489,878,158
ZOWZZii
df4hlee
df3ygrc
5
3
CMV: Being transgender reinforces gender roles/stereotypes because being transgender is about conforming to them First, kinda a disclaimer: I am not trans-phobic, and I have nothing against trans people. This view is simply what I have seen through observation, as I am (probably obviously) not trans myself. As I feel ...
Gender identity is not conformity to stereotypes. > Next, my view. If we assume a world without any gender roles/stereotypes, then if you have someone who would identify as transgender in this world, why would they need to in our hypothetical world? Because being trans is a dislike *of your physical sex characteristi...
> If we assume that your sex wouldn't make any difference in anything you do beyond possibly sexual/romantic partners, then they have no need to change their gender identity because gender wouldn't really matter at all. Gender roles sometimes have a basis in biology. We can eliminate many cultural based ideas but the...
607c1n
CMV: Being transgender reinforces gender roles/stereotypes because being transgender is about conforming to them
First, kinda a disclaimer: I am not trans-phobic, and I have nothing against trans people. This view is simply what I have seen through observation, as I am (probably obviously) not trans myself. As I feel that many people would disagree with this view, I have come to CMV. Also, I am not talking about gender agnostics/...
1,489,882,321
chessplayer_dude
df41ufh
df410vs
26
2
CMV: I'm somewhat racist and that's okay. It's a rational racism. Background: Yeah this is a provocative title so before I receive a bunch of hate in my mailbox let me try to explain what I mean. In the last few years I've noticed a creeping tendency to somewhat racist reactions in my stream of consciousness. It stru...
> I can state as a matter of fact that I become more alert around black people, especially black guys who act "hood" I feel that this is totally rational given where we are at as a country and my own experiences. This is prejudice not racism. And some prejudice is fine, normal, practical even. Associating people who ...
You are kind of a dick. You are contributing to the gentrification of the neighborhood and the economic reality that makes it profitable for companies to evict their neighbors. According to you, you don't know any of your neighbors, so it's not like you appear to contribute to the community as a good neighbor. You ar...
608fgz
CMV: I'm somewhat racist and that's okay. It's a rational racism.
Background: Yeah this is a provocative title so before I receive a bunch of hate in my mailbox let me try to explain what I mean. In the last few years I've noticed a creeping tendency to somewhat racist reactions in my stream of consciousness. It struck me as odd and I noticed it because I was raised as I suppose mos...
1,489,897,556
Willingtolistentwo
df4k6av
df4j9jm
2
0
CMV: Ocarina Of Time feels weird to play On Christmas of 2015, I got my new 3ds xl. On it, I also got majoras mask(my first Zelda game). I played majoras mask, and absolutely loved it. I had never played ocarina of time, so, a month ago, I picked it up for 3ds. I love the game, but it feels a bit weird to play. I can'...
Trust me, I played OoT on N64 and vaguely remember the experience, however I completed it and I remember enjoying it. I got it on my 3DS as well, and played a few hours of it and got bored, haven't picked it up since. I don't think it aged too well, and I have to say I don't like it. I got the Switch at release entire...
BOTW is nothing like any Zelda game that came before it. So don't worry about that.
608h6t
CMV: Ocarina Of Time feels weird to play
On Christmas of 2015, I got my new 3ds xl. On it, I also got majoras mask(my first Zelda game). I played majoras mask, and absolutely loved it. I had never played ocarina of time, so, a month ago, I picked it up for 3ds. I love the game, but it feels a bit weird to play. I can't really put my finger on it, but it feels...
1,489,898,321
JShad007
df4fswq
df4bq75
5
2
CMV: Vegetarianism and veganism are not ethically or morally superior to consuming meat. Common arguments for either: * natural diet This is false. Humans and our relatives have consumed animal products from the beginning, as we are a 'take what you can get' species. In addition, 'natural' =/= good. ~~* "More healt...
I eat meat, just to forewarn you. I'm not sure we even need to go into the cruelty aspects and whether or not their pain is valid or etc. And i won't since you don't seem open to that argument. I think we just have to consider the climate impact. Yes that aspect of it absolutely is an ethical concern. If there are le...
Okay, you seem to have not read the article. B12 does not come from animal products. It's produced by bacteria. It's literally everywhere that bacteria are. The dirt in your backyard is loaded with B12. Synthesizing B12 is incredibly easy. All you need is a petri dish. It's a very profitable enterprise. Absolutely no ...
60933w
CMV: Vegetarianism and veganism are not ethically or morally superior to consuming meat.
Common arguments for either: * natural diet This is false. Humans and our relatives have consumed animal products from the beginning, as we are a 'take what you can get' species. In addition, 'natural' =/= good. ~~* "More healthy"~~ ~~False. A diet that does not contain animal products pretty much necessitates supp...
1,489,910,349
Cooldude638
df4js8x
df4i7hk
9
4
CMV: Fliptop toothpaste caps are universally better than screwtop caps After buying a new brand of toothpaste (Crest) because it was on sale instead of my usual brand (Colgate), I was horrified to find that it came with a screwtop cap. After using it for a week, it's obvious that fliptop caps are universally better th...
Toothpaste all over my gym bag says otherwise. It's a little *too* easy to open.
Flip top caps are designed so it's easy to squeeze paste into the cap itself, making it basically impossible to clean without filling the tube itself with water.
609qvf
CMV: Fliptop toothpaste caps are universally better than screwtop caps
After buying a new brand of toothpaste (Crest) because it was on sale instead of my usual brand (Colgate), I was horrified to find that it came with a screwtop cap. After using it for a week, it's obvious that fliptop caps are universally better than screwtop caps and there should be no reason for screwtop capped tooth...
1,489,925,086
Shalmanese
df4o1un
df4lvod
1,047
17
CMV: Political ideology should be a protected class in the United States. In the United States, protected classes are used to legally protect people and organizations from discrimination based on various aspects of their identity. Two of these protected classes, creed and religion are simply belief systems either vol...
>For example I think an employee who posts a flyer in the lunch room saying "Kill the 1%" should not be protected. A employee fired for "being an Anarchist" should be protected. *The difference being a particular instance which is demonstrably negative in the context of the mission of the descriminator.* I do not thi...
So protected classes (from my understanding) vary on situation. Like women may be a protected class in say, law enforcement, but men in nursing. It's about historic under representation and subconscious prejudice. In this way both men and women can be protected classes, but in different situations. One issue is that...
609rmv
CMV: Political ideology should be a protected class in the United States.
In the United States, protected classes are used to legally protect people and organizations from discrimination based on various aspects of their identity. Two of these protected classes, creed and religion are simply belief systems either voluntarily adopted or culturally inherited. I believe political ideologies ar...
1,489,925,457
[deleted]
df4p77t
df4lirg
6
2
CMV: I believe that the left shouldn't focus too much on Trump' s potential Russia affair. *(I'm not a native English speaker, so please excuse any potential mistakes!)* Before I start: First, With "the left" I roughly mean people who affiliate with the Democratic party, but also include folks who do not feel represe...
> It takes away focus from the horrible stuff the Trump administration is actually doing right now and in public. I don't think it does. Arguing how awful policy is is also something fewer people are going to agree with than how problematic being compromised by Russia is. > It takes away from the positive message th...
The normal things like weakening environmental protections or "here is what we can fix what they did" isn't headline grabbing and only lasts at most a few days. The Russian stuff is headline grabbing and has some backing to it. Its the slow drip of news that is causing the damage, not the final blow. For the left ...
609vlc
CMV: I believe that the left shouldn't focus too much on Trump' s potential Russia affair.
*(I'm not a native English speaker, so please excuse any potential mistakes!)* Before I start: First, With "the left" I roughly mean people who affiliate with the Democratic party, but also include folks who do not feel represented by it because it isn't left enough. Second, I really believe that the Trump-government ...
1,489,927,463
Theobromin
df4myf9
df4m5hf
7
3
CMV: In the UK, Parliamentary Sovereignty is a deeply flawed and dangerous doctrine. As part of the UK definition of constitutional monarchy, "parliamentary sovereignty" states that Parliament can basically do whatever it wants, so long as it doesn't bind future parliaments. [Here's a Wikipedia article on the subject...
Such a bill wouldn't make it through the Lords, while the Lords have less power today than they have had likely ever they can stop unmandated laws. Unless promised in a manifesto or won in a public referenda the Lords would stop this bill with such heavy amendments that the end ressult would be the bill is unrecognisab...
while its a potential danger its not a realistic one, its like your ability to set your own house on fire, sure you can do it, you may even get away with it. but its simply not something a person does without a dang good reason behind it. and the ability to push though laws does help make the country run more smoot...
60a6o5
CMV: In the UK, Parliamentary Sovereignty is a deeply flawed and dangerous doctrine.
As part of the UK definition of constitutional monarchy, "parliamentary sovereignty" states that Parliament can basically do whatever it wants, so long as it doesn't bind future parliaments. [Here's a Wikipedia article on the subject.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty) Furthermore, laws and pre...
1,489,932,353
YeShitpostAccount
df4r8zb
df4ppt1
3
1
CMV: I think that hunting is the most morally justifiable way of eating meat. I'll start this by saying I don't hunt. It's not an idea that appeals to me. However, provided you follow certain basic principles, I think hunting is the most humane way of eating meat. The Principles: - Don't hunt endangered animals. (d...
This seems to work well for deer, since they are not just non-endangered, but overpopulated! I'd add that being overpopulated would make eating meat more morally justifiable. And one small point of correction - some farm raised animals have longer life expectancies than in the wild, because of immunizations, veterinar...
A population is local. A population is animals of the same species in an area that produce offspring together. I don't quite understand your argument about hunters hunting in a closed ecosystem. If you kill animals in a population, the genetic diversity decreases. This is very bad and will cause some species to reach...
60b01l
CMV: I think that hunting is the most morally justifiable way of eating meat.
I'll start this by saying I don't hunt. It's not an idea that appeals to me. However, provided you follow certain basic principles, I think hunting is the most humane way of eating meat. The Principles: - Don't hunt endangered animals. (duh) - Don't prolong animal suffering where it can be avoided. - Don't waste...
1,489,942,178
Banana_bee
df4x3i8
df4vnl9
6
1
CMV: Entertainment and arts are not as important as science. Hey guys, So I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right subreddit, because I know I am wrong. Or at least I really wish that I am wrong. I just don't have the arguments to support the opposite opinion. The question really troubles me because in uni I follow 2...
One thing science can't tell you is how to live well. It can't tell you to question the government (besides on technical questions), or itself make people active citizens of a democracy. It can't tell you what justice is. Philosophy gives people tools to answer these questions, literature helps develop empathy and cre...
> well i don't know how it's called but all the field of study that isn't art culture humanities language etc... Why are you even combining them? Your view seems to kind of be "the things I categorized together because I think they're useful are indeed useful." > in a situation where you built a colony on mars... I...
60b1ma
CMV: Entertainment and arts are not as important as science.
Hey guys, So I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right subreddit, because I know I am wrong. Or at least I really wish that I am wrong. I just don't have the arguments to support the opposite opinion. The question really troubles me because in uni I follow 2 courses, one focused on Music and the other on Science. The ...
1,489,942,661
thecocolovesme
df4wnw6
df4wi99
6
3
CMV: If your child injures my child due to reckless behavior that went uncorrected because you, the parent or guardian, were sitting far away and not paying attention, you are responsible for any damage done, especially any serious injuries. I've got a 2 year old daughter and we've been to all sorts of parks. I also h...
A parent needs to watch their children to ensure they won't get hurt. If my 3 year old can slide down a slide without hurting himself I'm going to let him go. Presumably even more so for a six year old. If there's a premie at the bottom of the slide where a toddler could slide right into him, it's the premie's paren...
How is one parent going to simultaneously have direct supervision over a 7 year old, a 5 year old, and a 6 month old? Kids arent stationary objects.
60bc84
CMV: If your child injures my child due to reckless behavior that went uncorrected because you, the parent or guardian, were sitting far away and not paying attention, you are responsible for any damage done, especially any serious injuries.
I've got a 2 year old daughter and we've been to all sorts of parks. I also have a 6 month old, so sometimes I can't be directly next to her on the equipment, but I'm always near. I've seen many many unattended children and the bigger the child the easier to accidentally or purposefully move smaller children. We haven'...
1,489,945,878
slytherin-by-night
df4z321
df4yvsb
14
6
CMV: The age a person can first make small talk with strangers is a good indicator of when they can drink alcohol. Little kids are shy as fuck around strangers, and obviously they shouldn't drink. Younger tenagers are still a little awkward around strangers. I'm 19 and American, and I'm on vacation (in the US, using m...
*I'm* shy as fuck around strangers, and I'm thirty years old. Alcohol makes me less shy around strangers; and it's not just me - the lowering of social inhibitions and hangups is one of the main reasons people go to bars to drink. Does it really make sense to propose as a measure for when one should be legally allowed...
>Little kids are shy as fuck around strangers, and obviously they shouldn't drink. This has got to be one of the strangest correlations I have ever seen someone suggest. What are your thoughts on introverted adults that aren't capable of maintaining a conversation with a stranger, should they not be allowed to have a ...
60c7xm
CMV: The age a person can first make small talk with strangers is a good indicator of when they can drink alcohol.
Little kids are shy as fuck around strangers, and obviously they shouldn't drink. Younger tenagers are still a little awkward around strangers. I'm 19 and American, and I'm on vacation (in the US, using my brother's ID). I'm able to sip on a beer and talk with other people at the bar about March Madness, ask them where...
1,489,955,569
Hipp013
df57286
df5710y
22
8
CMV: I don't believe in giving homeless people money. I used to, but not anymore. It's not because they're going to buy drugs with it either. If they are, then that's on them. But I stopped because I've come to realize that I started giving every single homeless person money, and it adds up. I took a tally of how much...
That's a good perspective... never thought about it like that.
what? can you elaborate?
60clf2
CMV: I don't believe in giving homeless people money.
I used to, but not anymore. It's not because they're going to buy drugs with it either. If they are, then that's on them. But I stopped because I've come to realize that I started giving every single homeless person money, and it adds up. I took a tally of how much I gave in a month and it added up to some $360ish USD....
1,489,959,820
supermoto007
df5g39s
df5ft4g
4
3
CMV: It would be better if everyone who took heroin died All my life I've grown up with such a firm grasp on the dangers of drug addiction. Heroin is undoubtedly the scariest and most dangerous out of all of the hard drugs, on the basis that it's become the cheapest of the hard drugs *by far* in the last decade. It's ...
Honestly this CMV isn't about heroin. You lay out like 10 different views that are all tangled up. It reads much more like a pro-eugenics rant than a discussion starter. So with that said let's ignore the body of your post and just focus on the question: Let's first agree on something: being addicted to heroin, in a...
I mean I understand where you're coming from because it's a huge health risk for somebody to take. But at the same time if everyone who took heroin died you'd be without quite a bit of amazing music. We'd be without the music of Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Miles Davis and Billi...
60cprs
CMV: It would be better if everyone who took heroin died
All my life I've grown up with such a firm grasp on the dangers of drug addiction. Heroin is undoubtedly the scariest and most dangerous out of all of the hard drugs, on the basis that it's become the cheapest of the hard drugs *by far* in the last decade. It's so dangerous and easy to get addicted to that Family Guy m...
1,489,961,185
enthusiasmvr
df5d6ey
df5c7ps
8
6
CMV:The less government, the better Disclaimer: no national context. The government should only be accounted for six things: diplomacy, law stuff*, healthcare and education for the poor, police and military (very small countries like Liechtenstein or Palau may not need the latter). The government in my country is ve...
Government is tasked with performing the services that the free market finds unprofitable, or unable to perform without conflicts of interest. The reason work regulations are beneficial is they're intended to prevent workplace accidents, or poor labor practices. It might cost more for your company to buy breathing app...
For someone who's genuinely in favour of small government, your list is probably too long. Why not privatize healthcare? We can both think of one major nation that once did this, and is likely going back. Why not privatize education? Again, this seems to be the way a certain country is going. Why not privatize the pol...
60di8t
CMV:The less government, the better
Disclaimer: no national context. The government should only be accounted for six things: diplomacy, law stuff*, healthcare and education for the poor, police and military (very small countries like Liechtenstein or Palau may not need the latter). The government in my country is very corrupt and when a private enterpr...
1,489,970,379
garaile64
df5j2uk
df5iu5c
8
2
CMV: Sociology is not a real science and has no real applications Sociology is not a real science and has no real applications. Sociology is not a real science because it does not have universal consistency. People and society are too unpredictable to study, document, and infer based on past data. A person or group of...
I am a PhD student and researcher, my research focuses on sociology of education and educational linguistics, so hopefully I can add a bit of an insider's perspective. > People and society are too unpredictable to study, document, and infer based on past data Sociological research tends to focus on particular aspects...
>Sociology is not a real science and has no real applications. A lot of basic research in the 'hard' sciences has no known application, but we consider it to be science anyway. The word science implies that that the researcher followed the scientific method, even if their results have no application, or yield a negati...
60dq07
CMV: Sociology is not a real science and has no real applications
Sociology is not a real science and has no real applications. Sociology is not a real science because it does not have universal consistency. People and society are too unpredictable to study, document, and infer based on past data. A person or group of individual could act one way for one reason, and another can act t...
1,489,973,054
UNLUCKYButKeepGoing
df5w4vj
df5tamj
22
1
CMV: "Classic Literature" that is assigned to average school students is not beneficial. So many works that are classified as classics and have been assigned to generation after generation are, in my opinion, doing no good for anyone. For reference, I'm referring to works like; "Romeo and Juliet" , "The Crucible" , ...
One thing I've learned in talking to other people about what sort of books they "had" to read in school is that **the lists almost never match up**. My brother had to read *Hitch Hiker's Guide*, which I adored as a teenager but not so much today. I was never assigned *The Great Gatsby* and I remember after reading it ...
And what quality are students going to read? Twilight? The goal of a lit class is to teach lit. I mean the problem with letting kids chose is that sometimes they pick the path of least resistance. Perhaps you could do a little bit of this and little bit of that, but I could see kids choosing some pretty basic stuff...
60e1hr
CMV: "Classic Literature" that is assigned to average school students is not beneficial.
So many works that are classified as classics and have been assigned to generation after generation are, in my opinion, doing no good for anyone. For reference, I'm referring to works like; "Romeo and Juliet" , "The Crucible" , "The Lord of the Flies" , "Fahrenheit 451" , and "The Grapes of Wrath". I am not saying I ...
1,489,977,123
slytherin-by-night
df5s2fl
df5rkm0
8
4
CMV: Trumps increase in federal funding for private schools is a good thing. First of all, I must declare that I am not American; I am in fact Australian, and an Australian student currently studying in a private school on top of that. I believe that trumps plans to to increase the federal funding for private school...
Just for the sake of argument I'm going to include charter schools with private schools, because they already receive public money but operate a lot like private schools since they are not subject to many of the rules governing public schools. Under a nationwide voucher system, there wouldn't be that much difference be...
I don't understand why you keep saying that this will allow more students to be educated for less "federal" money. Public schools are funded by a mix of state and local taxes and federal tax money, with the federal money mostly kicking in for programs related to child poverty. Private schools are funded by a mix of pri...
60g1tl
CMV: Trumps increase in federal funding for private schools is a good thing.
First of all, I must declare that I am not American; I am in fact Australian, and an Australian student currently studying in a private school on top of that. I believe that trumps plans to to increase the federal funding for private schools is a good thing because of these reasons: 1. It allows organizations that a...
1,490,010,906
mcwelsh21
df6f3pl
df6cto8
3
2
CMV: having a "socialist" attitude is the optimal, rational, way for mankind to survive and thrive with no casualities I'm going to define left and right as two specific mindsets. Kinda broad, abstract way of defining them. - "Socialism", the "left", in which a person is caring about not only its wellbeing but also t...
Another libertarian chiming in here. I think you mischaracterize the discussion. You're looking at the ends only, and somewhat ignoring the means. What you describe is less "left-right" as they are commonly used in the US and more "Authoritarian-Libertarian." But anyway, as others have said, the libertarian types li...
So I personally believe in a hybrid. I believe some markets, like healthcare and military should be governmentally run, and most of the rest of the economy should be a free market with regulations (similar the US economy today (minus government healthcare)). To your CMV, Free markets accomplish several things better...
60g92p
CMV: having a "socialist" attitude is the optimal, rational, way for mankind to survive and thrive with no casualities
I'm going to define left and right as two specific mindsets. Kinda broad, abstract way of defining them. - "Socialism", the "left", in which a person is caring about not only its wellbeing but also the others', as long as they don't clash, finding a reasonable compromise in which either of them can do whatever they wa...
1,490,013,571
satuprinssi
df69aiy
df68cjh
323
97
CMV: I think social norms are holding us all back. Before I start, I think it's important to just say that, as advanced as the human race is today, people are still figuring things out. Everything actually, from how the brain works to how deep the ocean is. A lot of these things in the universe are unknown. I feel a...
Most social norms aren't "invented", they just happened. There were arguably no societies where norms didn't exist in some form or another. The way people work it's probably not possible for norms not to develop without us intending them too. A great example is traffic behaviors - we have some laws that so few people f...
First of all I am no native speaker and hope I understood everything correctly. But you say social norms are all about fitting in society. And that people that didn't follow these norms had a much better life. That's not correct. People back then weren't educated at all and the whole power and money laid in the hands o...
60gfbo
CMV: I think social norms are holding us all back.
Before I start, I think it's important to just say that, as advanced as the human race is today, people are still figuring things out. Everything actually, from how the brain works to how deep the ocean is. A lot of these things in the universe are unknown. I feel as if people created and maintained social norms as a...
1,490,015,811
jsacks
df699t8
df692k2
6
1
CMV: I'm going to vandalize my neighbor's car **The two key points of my view:** - This is a good idea - This is a rational idea **My view (just going to put this in bullet point form, think it's easier to read that way):** - I live in a town home community, that has a shared parking lot - I know the owner of the...
Ask others if they have noticed the issue. If it is as bad as you say, then surely the answer will be 'yes'. Go with two or three others as a group to complain to the property manager. They will almost certainly listen to your complaint and take action. They probably have a reference that links the license plate nu...
So you want to start a war? Guess what buddy who owns the car will do next? Yup.. a louder more annoying car alarm is my guess. Plus if you do happen to get caught (let's just suppose there are cameras in the parking lot or somebody happens to look out their window at that time) it's major shit for you. I am not sa...
60i0jg
CMV: I'm going to vandalize my neighbor's car
**The two key points of my view:** - This is a good idea - This is a rational idea **My view (just going to put this in bullet point form, think it's easier to read that way):** - I live in a town home community, that has a shared parking lot - I know the owner of the car I'm going to vandalize lives there, but I ...
1,490,032,212
ZeusThunder369
df6ji4v
df6j2qa
175
13
CMV: Political Correctness was never much of an issue, and today the word "Political Correctness" is mostly used wrongly to disguise racism, sexism, homophobia, or to attack progressive social views with no real arguments. In short, my point is this : 1) There are multiple possible definitions of P.C. 2) One of thes...
You are making your view impossible to change by presenting a "no true Scotsman" argument. Your argument is that the commonly held view of political correctness is not what actual political correctness is. What is commonly referred to as political correctness is silly, but what you believe is political correctness is n...
Ultimately I think we may be on different sides on that one. But I see the error in the ways of both sides. I don't consider sjw's or anti sjw's to have solid ground to stand on really. On a semantics level. I feel that you can't have your view changed if you consider silly pc to not reflect on PC people in general. Y...
60i6r0
CMV: Political Correctness was never much of an issue, and today the word "Political Correctness" is mostly used wrongly to disguise racism, sexism, homophobia, or to attack progressive social views with no real arguments.
In short, my point is this : 1) There are multiple possible definitions of P.C. 2) One of these definitions refers to a behavior which is a bit ridicule, therefore easy to mock. (I will call it "silly PC") 3) A lot of people have spent a lot of time attacking, criticizing and mocking this form of PC, therefore givin...
1,490,033,867
akka-vodol
df7ubb6
df6tf6u
10
0
CMV: Allowing Honors Kid to Pick Classes First Makes More People Fail/Drop-out of College and is Inherently Wrong So I'm going to be a tad biased in this one (obviously on this sub) but this concept drives me nuts. I bombed my second semester in college, calculus absolutely decimated me and took so much time away fro...
I'm not quite sure what view you want changed here. Does this situation suck? Totally. But it makes sense from the college's perspective. They want high caliber students to come to their school instead of going to institutions that might have better name recognition and programs than your school does. How can they get ...
I think the problem here is that supposedly the same classes has wildly different requirements. That's what seems unfair. If all "same classes" has same or very similar requirements (which they should), it would not really matter who picks first aside from minor scheduling conveniences / inconveniences.
60i9y7
CMV: Allowing Honors Kid to Pick Classes First Makes More People Fail/Drop-out of College and is Inherently Wrong
So I'm going to be a tad biased in this one (obviously on this sub) but this concept drives me nuts. I bombed my second semester in college, calculus absolutely decimated me and took so much time away from other classes that my GPA died with the class. The next two semesters (summer classes + fall classes) I've had t...
1,490,034,688
Bac2Zac
df6lyu7
df6le7l
11
3
CMV: The races aren't equal. Quick Clarifications: I agree with MLK in so far as that it's wrong to judge individuals on the basis of race. I fully appreciate that there are plenty of very smart black people I'm only talking about general trends. I am white, but I'm not a white supremacist, I believe from the evidence...
I assume you're talking about racial IQ differences. I've responded to this topic quite a few times. So I'll just copy and paste a past response here. part 1 of 2 It is certainly possible that the Black-White IQ difference is largely genetic; there's no necessary law that this cannot be the case. But questions about ...
> However when I tried to research this I found that while rich kids tend to do better, rich blacks are outscored by poor whites so the gap is much larger than can be explained by income, and having taken the SAT it seemed absurd to argue that any of the questions were racist. Its not that the questions are racist, it...
60jc4g
CMV: The races aren't equal.
Quick Clarifications: I agree with MLK in so far as that it's wrong to judge individuals on the basis of race. I fully appreciate that there are plenty of very smart black people I'm only talking about general trends. I am white, but I'm not a white supremacist, I believe from the evidence I have found that Asians are ...
1,490,044,845
Geometer_1729
df6vyqo
df6v0up
45
17
CMV: Modern feminism is often dangerous, hypocritical, and illogical. Due to what feminism has morphed into over the last decade, I want nothing to do with it. It stands in direct conflict with a free and open society and has many authoritarian, hypocritical, and anti-intellectual beliefs and actions. 1. Lang...
Honestly, before I even attempt this (because as the Automoderator has pointed out, this has been asked many times), I would like to ask you a clarifying question for each point: >1 Second is the feminist definition Which feminists are providing this definition? >1 feminists seem to want to strike words completely ...
The problem with this argument is that for each and every one of these, you'll be able to produce an example, or maybe multiple. You need to clarify what makes such behaviour count as "often". How exactly would your view be changed? How many counter examples would defeat your position here?
60jyq1
CMV: Modern feminism is often dangerous, hypocritical, and illogical.
Due to what feminism has morphed into over the last decade, I want nothing to do with it. It stands in direct conflict with a free and open society and has many authoritarian, hypocritical, and anti-intellectual beliefs and actions. 1. Language: In English we have many words that have multiple definitions and ...
1,490,051,162
InvisibleChains
df701ny
df7015q
16
10
CMV: There is no objective criterion or argument for what counts as art My view is pretty simple: if one or more people see some kind of artistic value in something, whether as creator or audience, I'm fine with calling it art. I have yet to hear or read any convincing position which argues along contrary lines, wheth...
I'd place an exception: Since we provide special protection for artistic expression, I think we need a limit for use of that as a protective shield for violence or "hate speech". I can't claim something as "art" exclusively to garner the liberties provided to artistic expression. While we should give people a wide ...
Allowing ourselves to debate what is and isn't art is more important than having an objective standard. We don't need an assumption that we're appealing to objective standard, but if we stop debating the term "art" it loses too much of its meaning, our criteria for what is art may deteriorate, and we're all worse off f...
60kec8
CMV: There is no objective criterion or argument for what counts as art
My view is pretty simple: if one or more people see some kind of artistic value in something, whether as creator or audience, I'm fine with calling it art. I have yet to hear or read any convincing position which argues along contrary lines, whether this is the one millionth person claiming "Modern art isn't art," or "...
1,490,055,781
Literally_Herodotus
df79r9b
df79lkp
2
1
CMV: Obama should sue Trump for defamation over wiretapping claims 1. Trump tweeted "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism! Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? ...
Your original post and your responses ITT indicate the goal in Obama suing for defamation is politically motivated and not because Obama suffered any harm from the statement. To that I would say the following: 1) Suing for an ulterior purpose is called "abuse of process." One requirement of defamation as mentioned in...
So you admit there was no wiretapping? So when the NYT, WAPO , Globe and every media outlet said that wiretapping is the source of their russian myth that they were not telling the truth You mean to tell my that the press is pushing fake news, fake news that they know is a lie and there were no anonymous sources at a...
60moys
CMV: Obama should sue Trump for defamation over wiretapping claims
1. Trump tweeted "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism! Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW !I'd bet a good lawyer could...
1,490,090,233
shaim2
df7rfic
df7r2o7
10
-2
CMV: Political position/affiliation should not be discussed in school Disclaimer: Even though this example shows liberals in a negative way, I am positive the same thing happens in very conservative areas. This post is designed to focus on what causes this polarisation, not bash people who are left wing. I am left of ...
It seems to me you're criticizing a *way* of discussing politics in class, not the *concept* of doing so. What you've described is a symptom of a certain political pathology in the US. Both sides (I consider myself progressive in most respects, but this is *just as common* on "my side" of the debates as the "other side...
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Politics *should* be discussed in school, in the later years, such as high school once the students are able to grasp what some of the concepts are. However, all of your anecdotes are not due to discussing politics, but the bullying associated with them. Schools are suppose...
60numo
CMV: Political position/affiliation should not be discussed in school
Disclaimer: Even though this example shows liberals in a negative way, I am positive the same thing happens in very conservative areas. This post is designed to focus on what causes this polarisation, not bash people who are left wing. I am left of center myself, so please see this post as exposing an issue in public s...
1,490,106,121
YourFriendLoke
df7uvtp
df7u4jj
24
6
CMV: The most recent Terminator movie that people hated was actually great I know many people did not like this movie, but I honestly thought it was amazing! The actors they chose, especially John's character, were not the best, however the story was fantastic. The story was brilliant. And without giving away any ...
Uncharismatic unlikable leads, bland action scenes, telegraphed reveals, basically a way of repeating storybeats in the first two films. I actually can't recall anything major I liked in the film. If you like the story, I don't know what I can say to convince you it is bad though.
A film is much more than a story. How a movie is about something is much more important than what it's about. The direction, acting, pacing, and look of a film are all essential components.
60o7ej
CMV: The most recent Terminator movie that people hated was actually great
I know many people did not like this movie, but I honestly thought it was amazing! The actors they chose, especially John's character, were not the best, however the story was fantastic. The story was brilliant. And without giving away any spoilers, I thought the plot was a fantastic way of rebooting the series. Th...
1,490,109,857
[deleted]
df81rzf
df7xg0k
4
1
CMV:I think Youtube is on the decline in quality Nowadays, youtube is filled with clickbait, sexual thumbnails, videos targeted at getting easy views from kids, and I feel that people are just abusing youtube's algorithm in any way they can, resulting in a generally shittier website. I still very much enjoy youtube as...
I have not found this to be the case, in-fact I will usually find a great new channel to subscribe to somewhat often. Have you checked your viewing history? If you have watched any of those clickbait videos they will be featured more in your Youtube. On the off-chance I do watch one I do it in a private window so it ...
Depends what metric you use. In terms of "number of great videos" it is probably getting better every day. In terms of "number of bad videos" it is probably getting worse every day.
60oa85
CMV:I think Youtube is on the decline in quality
Nowadays, youtube is filled with clickbait, sexual thumbnails, videos targeted at getting easy views from kids, and I feel that people are just abusing youtube's algorithm in any way they can, resulting in a generally shittier website. I still very much enjoy youtube as there are a few content creators I enjoy, but I f...
1,490,110,684
Crazila
df7yxx3
df7y2ym
8
1
CMV: The Shadow Man was bar-none the scariest and worst Disney villain. Things just never get serious enough so let's get real talk in here. So my position is that The Shadow Man, or The Voodoo Man from Disney's 2009 "The Princess and the Frog" is the most frightening and evil villain in their rather impressive repe...
Judge Frollo was willing to burn down all of Paris in order to satisfy his lust for Esmeralda (presumably by raping her, as I doubt very much she would consent). Facilier was willing to give the souls of all those living in New Orleans to his "friends on the other side" ultimately to enrich himself. Frollo was willing...
How about Czernobog from Fantasia, or Jafar, or Maleficent, or the Evil Queen? I mean, Facilier was certainly a bad person. But he didn't have the *power* to do all that stuff. He had to borrow it from his friends.
60ocb0
CMV: The Shadow Man was bar-none the scariest and worst Disney villain.
Things just never get serious enough so let's get real talk in here. So my position is that The Shadow Man, or The Voodoo Man from Disney's 2009 "The Princess and the Frog" is the most frightening and evil villain in their rather impressive repertoire. His shadow can manipulate real world solid objects, what's to s...
1,490,111,256
slytherin-by-night
df82vts
df81efu
7
3
CMV: Connections don't get you as far as personal achievements/accomplishments Me and a friend of mine have been having this ongoing battle for a few weeks now. He argues with me that connections are *everything* and that you cannot be where you want in life AT ALL without connections. I have always completely disagre...
I completely disagree. SOME skill is a requisite, obviously. Knowing a guy at Wells Fargo probably isn't going to get you far if you don't know anything about finance, but having someone around who will vouch for you is the difference between > "This person doesn't have the required five years of experience" and ...
>He argues with me that connections are everything and that you cannot be where you want in life AT ALL without connections. I have always completely disagreed with this notion, arguing that while a connection will provide you with an opportunity, it won't ensure success or position. It doesn't sound like those views ...
60og2n
CMV: Connections don't get you as far as personal achievements/accomplishments
Me and a friend of mine have been having this ongoing battle for a few weeks now. He argues with me that connections are *everything* and that you cannot be where you want in life AT ALL without connections. I have always completely disagreed with this notion, arguing that while a connection will provide you with an op...
1,490,112,319
deterpavey
df81zcq
df811zr
7
5
CMV: Liberalism should not support Islam I know that liberalism calls for tolerating all races, religions, ethnicities etc. but it seems strange to me that Liberals (In the US where I'm from) go to such lengths to defend Islam. Obviously not Muslims harbor extreme beliefs, but for the most part Islam seems to be: 1) ...
Isn't it my right to live in a society where people don't want to kill me? Like if you went into work everyday and sat next to someone who wanted to kill you, you would be totally 100% okay with that, even though he never actually tried yet?
I think the main problem is that you're being so holistic about it. "If you advocate sexism/homophobia than you are BAD and we should say you're BAD and we should not say anything good about you!" But what's wrong with criticizing the bad thing but accepting everything else?
60p0jf
CMV: Liberalism should not support Islam
I know that liberalism calls for tolerating all races, religions, ethnicities etc. but it seems strange to me that Liberals (In the US where I'm from) go to such lengths to defend Islam. Obviously not Muslims harbor extreme beliefs, but for the most part Islam seems to be: 1) A Patriarchy Society 2) Women are treated ...
1,490,117,806
BikerMouseFrmMars
df88f83
df86avb
5
2
CMV: Religiously affiliated companies should be able to deny service to people that violate their religious beliefs. First off, I feel obligated to make clear that I'm a lesbian and advocate for the rights of my fellow LGBT+ people because people have called me homophobic for having this view. Please just hear me out....
>Fir >I'll just take my money elsewhere to a secular business that will be glad to take it (and will probably be nicer to me as well). There are plenty other businesses in America that will be glad to accept my money. You're on the premise that society is currently lgbt-friendly, which it is, but it hasn't always been...
To be clear, could you provide a specific example of a case where you believe a company should deny services based on religious beliefs? Are we talking about simple sales of material goods or things like medical care and social services?
60p75t
CMV: Religiously affiliated companies should be able to deny service to people that violate their religious beliefs.
First off, I feel obligated to make clear that I'm a lesbian and advocate for the rights of my fellow LGBT+ people because people have called me homophobic for having this view. Please just hear me out. One of the rights guaranteed to American citizens is religious freedom. If I violate a group of people's religious i...
1,490,119,548
creekSwimmin
df861qo
df85pzy
14
2
CMV: Islam is currently the biggest threat to civilisation in terms of religion. I think that as far as religions go across the world right now, Islam is the most dangerous one and the biggest threat to humanity. I am not saying anything about Muslims as people. I am not saying that Islam is worse than any other rel...
So are you saying the main reason it's such a threat is size? Because by any other metric any number of smaller organizations pose a much greater threat, notably certain cults. For example, [Aum Shinrikyo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo) poses a much bigger threat in proportion to size. And that's another ...
>I completely agree with you in many of these cases. However, with regards to specifically climate change denial, off the top of my head it seems like even these same ultra-Christians will instead pivot to arguments like "the scientific consensus isn't settled yet" or "the climate has changed in the past" or something ...
60pqmw
CMV: Islam is currently the biggest threat to civilisation in terms of religion.
I think that as far as religions go across the world right now, Islam is the most dangerous one and the biggest threat to humanity. I am not saying anything about Muslims as people. I am not saying that Islam is worse than any other religion. I am not saying the Qur'an is worse than any other religious scripture. ...
1,490,124,686
Hairydad69
df8cp9x
df8bnn2
7
1
CMV: Ideally, the United States Would Ban All Guns And by that I don't mean heavy background checks, assault rifle bans, or other typical gun control policies. I mean repeal of the Second Amendment and a ban on all firearms, including pistols. I know it wouldn't be feasible in the short term, but this is my opinion fo...
This is just a Copypasta of a previous post, so some of the lines might seem outside the context of what you're asking: The average person in the US during a given year will be neither especially aided or harmed by a gunshot. When examining the right to keep and bear arms, either side will be looking at the marginal b...
>One of the original purposes of the Second Amendment was to allow the people to fight against a tyrannical government. With current technology that the government has access to, this is completely unfeasible unless we find a way to give the people tanks and the like. It doesn't have to be a guarantee, and if the past...
60q0b6
CMV: Ideally, the United States Would Ban All Guns
And by that I don't mean heavy background checks, assault rifle bans, or other typical gun control policies. I mean repeal of the Second Amendment and a ban on all firearms, including pistols. I know it wouldn't be feasible in the short term, but this is my opinion for a long term goal to strive for. A few reasons: 1...
1,490,127,277
MissesAndMishaps
df8gxiy
df8dhv4
18
12
CMV: The British Empire was one of the worst institutions to have ever existed. And arguably the worst institution of the 19th & 20th centuries. Disclaimer: It was easier to just copy paste rather than put into my own words so I've coped and pasted from this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wo...
>etween 12 and 29 million Indians died of starvation while it was under the control of the British Empire, as millions of tons of wheat were exported to Britain as famine raged in India. This is simply false. It's true that millions of indians died of famine under the british, but that's because in ALL in pre-industr...
1. Slavery has been around for much longer than the British Empire. 2. Depends on what you mean by 'more harm than good'. Take Australia for example? Did bad stuff happen? Sure, but 2 points: - it was much better than any other colonial administration would have been; and - Australia is now a ridiculously successf...
60q4id
CMV: The British Empire was one of the worst institutions to have ever existed.
And arguably the worst institution of the 19th & 20th centuries. Disclaimer: It was easier to just copy paste rather than put into my own words so I've coped and pasted from this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a76121...
1,490,128,389
bezjones
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df8fuec
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9
CMV: there have been very few innovations in video games since about 2010 and the industry is generally in a period of stagnation. In my view, the late nineties through the mid 2000s were a period of huge innovation for video games where most modern genres were invented, and since then most games have just been copyin...
A lot of this seems to be personal preference for a particular game (especially in choosing what "invented" a genre or "reinvented" a genre or "perfected" it). Someone could pretty easily argue that all WoW did was copy elements from Everquest and make some minor tweaks, becoming popular more based on name recogniti...
I've been playing video games my entire life, from NES to current day. One thing that has always bored me to death is the plot. Video game plots are typically incredibly boring, hard to keep track of and more than often gets in the way of playing the game. While I love games like fallout, and often the plot is fairly e...
60qnvt
CMV: there have been very few innovations in video games since about 2010 and the industry is generally in a period of stagnation.
In my view, the late nineties through the mid 2000s were a period of huge innovation for video games where most modern genres were invented, and since then most games have just been copying what came before but with better graphics. Examples of genre-defining video games released 2003-2010: - World of Warcraft: rein...
1,490,133,713
Pill_Bug
df8l8ad
df8jos1
102
4
CMV: Donald Trump played the Republican Party and is not a Republican I personally believe President Donald Trump is not a Republican by value, but a Fascist. I do not throw that word around, and I do not mean it as an insult, I literally mean he is a fascist. Let me first expose why I don’t believe he is a Repub...
Donald Trump is a member of the Republican Party. That makes him a Republican. The Republican party has a fairly large coverage politically from moderates to extremists. It does not have a specific set of values written down anywhere that all Republicans have to adhere to. Therefore the Republican values are defined ...
Republican is a self applied label. The only requirement to being a Republican is to call yourself one.
60rllv
CMV: Donald Trump played the Republican Party and is not a Republican
I personally believe President Donald Trump is not a Republican by value, but a Fascist. I do not throw that word around, and I do not mean it as an insult, I literally mean he is a fascist. Let me first expose why I don’t believe he is a Republican or has Republican values: 1. Donald Trump is “very pro choice”. ...
1,490,144,165
ckellingc
df8qpwb
df8qokv
23
7
CMV: You don't care about global warming if you aren't vegan (or you're at least hypocritical in speaking and not acting). Carnism, in the form of factory farming, is the leading cause of water scarcity and global warming. I'm not saying other things don't contribute to the problem, but factory farming contributes alm...
> Quitting meat consumption has a much bigger impact compared to driving a more fuel efficient car or limiting gas to help reduce global warming. The metric that can be used to make this comparison is CO2e (CO2-equivalent emissions), which can compare carbon dioxide, methane, and other emissions combined for their e...
This argument comes up pretty frequently, and almost always takes the form of "if you aren't doing what I consider enough to combat this problem, you cannot rightly claim to care." >Carnism, in the form of factory farming, is the leading cause of water scarcity and global warming. I'm not saying other things don't con...
60sise
CMV: You don't care about global warming if you aren't vegan (or you're at least hypocritical in speaking and not acting).
Carnism, in the form of factory farming, is the leading cause of water scarcity and global warming. I'm not saying other things don't contribute to the problem, but factory farming contributes almost more than any other industries. As an individual, the biggest change reducing global warming and water consumption you ...
1,490,155,581
zarmesan
df8zua9
df8zlii
6
3
CMV: The "famous violinist" defense of abortion is flawed While I'm not exactly pro-life, I don't know about bodily autonomy as a defense of abortion. I feel that the famous violinist argument, which is often toted as a perfect counterpoint to pro-life arguments, doesn't really hold up. The argument goes that you wak...
This is an excellent point. ∆ It still leaves me with the question, though, of why, if the violinist is exactly the same as the fetus/child, he can't live off another person's money or food like the child can. But then I guess that's what welfare and food stamps are. In our society, money and other non-bodily posses...
Because a child is a person. And he isn't attached to your body in a physical way. Sure that child needs resources and such but he doesn't need to be attached to you. If a mother can't care for that person there is no reason why another person couldn't care for that child.
60td2p
CMV: The "famous violinist" defense of abortion is flawed
While I'm not exactly pro-life, I don't know about bodily autonomy as a defense of abortion. I feel that the famous violinist argument, which is often toted as a perfect counterpoint to pro-life arguments, doesn't really hold up. The argument goes that you wake up and find that your circulatory system has been plugged...
1,490,170,059
Ian3223
df95eot
df94xf8
12
1
CMV: Transgender (specifically MtF) athletes have an unfair advantage in strength-based sports and should only be able to participate in their biological gender group. This is in response to the post that hit the front page recently which can be seen here: http://www.outsports.com/2017/3/20/14983388/transgender-weight...
I don't see a comment on puberty yet, so I'll weigh in a bit. > CMV: Transgender (specifically MtF) athletes have an unfair advantage in strength-based sports and should only be able to participate in their biological gender group. There is absolutely no reason to believe that all transwomen athletes have an advantag...
no one is denying that MtF HRT impacts your athletic ability negatively. However, having been on male testosterone levels for a period of time will leave you in a better state athletically than had you been born female, so there is an advantage in that. Professional athletes need to do everything to maximize their a...
60u6bk
CMV: Transgender (specifically MtF) athletes have an unfair advantage in strength-based sports and should only be able to participate in their biological gender group.
This is in response to the post that hit the front page recently which can be seen here: http://www.outsports.com/2017/3/20/14983388/transgender-weightlifting-laurel-hubbard-wins Biologically speaking, the male gender is already predisposed to stronger traits and as a response the Olympic Committee split competitions ...
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monthlyduck
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df9cnyw
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